Why do Dianabol and Anadrol cause me to have PVCs/PACs/periods of arrythmia?

[Salzberger]

Every time that I take Dianabol, after about 2.5 weeks at 25mg ED, I get what feels like PVCs/PACs... there is a skipped beat that I can feel. I also feel like I could pass out 30 minutes after a leg workout or deadlifts. I took 25mg DBol and 50mg Drol once and the same thing happened after 2.5 weeks, but I got a little flutter in addition. I've also noticed that a large test prop shot... 150mg+ will do this to me as well although to a smaller degree. Is this caused by electrolyte imbalance or is something possibly wrong with my heart? These "skipped beats" happen very rarely off cycle... usually only when I am on a lot of medicatons. I took an antihistamine (loratadine... not loratadine D) while taking Uroxatral and had a few of these the other day.

This also happened in a greater degree (maybe 10 skips per minute) when I dabbled with t4/t3 at low doses and went away a few days after I stopped. I've stopped DBol/Drol for good awhile ago. Any thoughts on this?

I've done some research and it appears that PVCs/PACs are harmless, but it is obvious that the drugs are causing this...

 

[cev79]

Every time that I take Dianabol, after about 2.5 weeks at 25mg ED, I get what feels like PVCs/PACs... there is a skipped beat that I can feel. I also feel like I could pass out 30 minutes after a leg workout or deadlifts. I took 25mg DBol and 50mg Drol once and the same thing happened after 2.5 weeks, but I got a little flutter in addition. I've also noticed that a large test prop shot... 150mg+ will do this to me as well although to a smaller degree. Is this caused by electrolyte imbalance or is something possibly wrong with my heart? These "skipped beats" happen very rarely off cycle... usually only when I am on a lot of medicatons. I took an antihistamine (loratadine... not loratadine D) while taking Uroxatral and had a few of these the other day.

This also happened in a greater degree (maybe 10 skips per minute) when I dabbled with t4/t3 at low doses and went away a few days after I stopped. I've stopped DBol/Drol for good awhile ago. Any thoughts on this?

I've done some research and it appears that PVCs/PACs are harmless, but it is obvious that the drugs are causing this...

best advice you're gonna get, see your doctor asap and get all the tests, be honest with your doctor about what you're using, etc. That will answer your questions. Make an appt. asap. Could be nothing, could be something. We can only speculate at your symptoms.

 

[nickman1978]

my Blood Pressure rises quite a bit when i'm on Dbol...

 

[Salzberger]

my Blood Pressure rises quite a bit when i'm on Dbol...

Not really blood pressure related... it is elevated to small degree, but nothing to be concerned.

 

[mike ross]

while harmless in appearance, they can long term lead to a prolonged or decrease QR interval which basically means your heart or valves in your heart are failing. This can in turn cause the ventricles to swell and then you'll have pooling of blood as well. All and all, you dont want this ever. You should see a doc and get an ecg done. Maybe you are having conduction problems. Do you currently take any bp or related meds?

 

[hellraiser27]

I don't know the exact reason. Drol seems to have the most profound effect on the heart. I really wouldn't mix dbol with drol. I know, I have heard all the arguments, even done it myself. Do yourself a favor and drop the drol.

 

[Magnum]

How do you know it's not the antihistamines doing it? I know that they def can cause this.

 

[EDED]

i get that from drol/dbol combo too,,,lower the dosage or just move on to other anabolics till you find something less stressful to your body because in the end if you do find the cause, would you keep taking them?

 

[Emery]

How do you know it's not the antihistamines doing it? I know that they def can cause this.

Completely agreed!!! Antihistamines can have many side effects!

 

[aqrojase]

I love dbol, nothing puts weight and strenght on me like dbol. But i don't think my heart likes it at all. I always feel winded when on it and my bp goes super high. If i do run it..it would be 2 weeks max for me.

 

[npcout]

I'm a critical care cardiac RN and by no means am I a genius or master, but I fail to see how you can feel a pre ventricular or atrial contraction. They are not skipped beats, they are pre-mature depending on where the origin of stimuli occurs. Either the atrium fires before the circuit is reset, or the ventricle is firing without the stimulus from the atria; neither of which cause a skipped beat. They typically are harmless if they are occasional, but once you start going into bi-gem, where every other beat involves a pvc/pac, that is where problems can occur.

If you are feeling a skipped beat, you are feeling a dropped beat, not pac/pvc. If you have access to telemetry, via working in the hospital, emt, etc. see if there are irregular QRS complexes or randomly shortened R-R ratio's before you go assuming you have pac/pvcs.

 

[MrRage]

I'm a critical care cardiac RN and by no means am I a genius or master, but I fail to see how you can feel a pre ventricular or atrial contraction. They are not skipped beats, they are pre-mature depending on where the origin of stimuli occurs. Either the atrium fires before the circuit is reset, or the ventricle is firing without the stimulus from the atria; neither of which cause a skipped beat. They typically are harmless if they are occasional, but once you start going into bi-gem, where every other beat involves a pvc/pac, that is where problems can occur.

If you are feeling a skipped beat, you are feeling a dropped beat, not pac/pvc. If you have access to telemetry, via working in the hospital, emt, etc. see if there are irregular QRS complexes or randomly shortened R-R ratio's before you go assuming you have pac/pvcs.

as someone who has had pvcs since i was 16... you can sure as shit feel them, and whenever ive described them to a doc they knew exactly that its a PVC, after the double beat there is a pause and then a harder beat... feels like someone kicking your chest from the inside.

ive seen about 15 docs and countless nurses over the years and all have known what it was right from the description of the feeling... so i do apologize if you think you cannot feel them... but evidence and many other medical professionals state otherwise.

and yes, ive been through every cardiac test possible and usually have an ekg, a few hours on a monitor and an echo every year or two.


oh and here:
"PVCs are usually diagnosed after the patient has described “skipped beats”, pauses or palpitations. Typically the palpitations felt by PVC patients are very irregular and less sustained than patients with other types of arrhythmia. They are likely to have “flip flopping” sensations where it feels like the heart is flipping over or pounding due to there being a pause after the premature contraction and then a powerful contraction after the pause. There is a possibility that they might feel a ‘fluttering’ in their chest or a pounding in their neck but these two types of palpitations aren’t very common in PVC patients"

 

[bigjuice69]

you have to be careful, one of those abnormal beats can send your heart into vtach or vfib

 

[MrRage]

you have to be careful, one of those abnormal beats can send your heart into vtach or vfib

not true if you have no other underlying issues

 

[maldorf]

as someone who has had pvcs since i was 16... you can sure as shit feel them, and whenever ive described them to a doc they knew exactly that its a PVC, after the double beat there is a pause and then a harder beat... feels like someone kicking your chest from the inside.

ive seen about 15 docs and countless nurses over the years and all have known what it was right from the description of the feeling... so i do apologize if you think you cannot feel them... but evidence and many other medical professionals state otherwise.

and yes, ive been through every cardiac test possible and usually have an ekg, a few hours on a monitor and an echo every year or two.


oh and here:
"PVCs are usually diagnosed after the patient has described “skipped beats”, pauses or palpitations. Typically the palpitations felt by PVC patients are very irregular and less sustained than patients with other types of arrhythmia. They are likely to have “flip flopping” sensations where it feels like the heart is flipping over or pounding due to there being a pause after the premature contraction and then a powerful contraction after the pause. There is a possibility that they might feel a ‘fluttering’ in their chest or a pounding in their neck but these two types of palpitations aren’t very common in PVC patients"

I agree too. I had really bad PVCs all the time and then went into Vtach and amost died. I was saved when we called 911 and the paramedics shocked me 2x to get my heart into rhythm. I had passed out, syncope, and was on my way to the big man in the sky.

I could feel the PVCs as like a skipped beat and then the next beat would be much harder than normal. I think thats called a compensatory beat or something like that. The old flip flop feelings in your chest. Once you get in v tach it feels like your heart is a runaway train and nothing can stop it. Its a terrible terrible feeling, and you know what is coming next is V fib.

 

[goheavy63]

I have had them before to and I could definitely feel them. Scary to say the least. I would just drop the orals if I were you. But that is just my opinion.