Wipe the needle

[JuicyJohn]

I'm not in any type of medical field whatsoever but I haven't heard one person ever say anything negative about using a new pin for injection ever so I will continue to take the extra step and using a new pin for drawing and another for injecting... Just like alot of things in life that aren't proven necessary but you do just to be safe... For example when I'm wiping my ass and the paper is clean I still go ahead and give another wipe... Not really concerned about the extra few cents for the toilet paper used... It's better than having shit stains in your undies lol.... Also I would think that wiping the needle wit a swab could pick up fibers from the swab that would then be injected... Don't want needle dingle berries....

 

[King-kong]

I keep one 21g needle on a syringe and use that to withdraw. I then get a new needle and syringe and swap needles. The new syringe becomes my next withdrawing syringe. The only thing that gets reused is the 21g needle into the stopper. Just keep the stopper clean and needle is recapped between shots.

 

[J4CKT]

I think the thread is getting a little sidetracked. Let's get back to the point.

Because this is not the norm in the medical community.You are NOT taught in medical or nursing school to draw with one needle and inject with another new one.

After doing a little searching I now beg to differ.

Here is something I found.

Beyea and Nicholl (1995) recommended that needles should be changed after drawing up the drug, before the injection, to ensure that it is clean, dry and sharp...

...A needle that has been blunted by piercing a rubber bung may cause local tissue trauma,

This is quoted from:
**broken link removed**

which is a ..... wait for it..... Nursing handbook!

I'm quite sure that this manual has enough names and certifications of
various Highly Educated Healthcare providers to lend it some credibility.

Now that we know for a fact that this isn't broscience my next
question would be where did you and Peter learn 'correct' injection protocol?

 

[BigSwole]

I think a mod may want to look at this thread and maybe locker up.
This has really turned into a forum for someone to get a bit high and mighty.
QUESTION A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL??!! Damn right! Same as I would question a plumber or any service provider. I was somewhat amused till
I saw that remark about questioning a PAID service provider.
I also take offense to the the uppity way you refer to bigswoles degree(s).
All this over some trivial needle use question. Someone please end this one.
I would never lend credence to anything I would hear from Kid1 regardless
of his education .

Exactly, doctors are not gods. Also, it's a patients right and duty to question providers to insure they actually know what they are talking about.

I think the thread is getting a little sidetracked. Let's get back to the point.

After doing a little searching I now beg to differ.

Here is something I found.

This is quoted from:
**broken link removed**

which is a ..... wait for it..... Nursing handbook!

I'm quite sure that this manual has enough names and certifications of
various Highly Educated Healthcare providers to lend it some credibility.

Now that we know for a fact that this isn't broscience my next
question would be where did you and Peter learn 'correct' injection protocol?

Nice find bro.

 

[kid1dakota]

I think a mod may want to look at this thread and maybe locker up.This has really turned into a forum for someone to get a bit high and mighty.
QUESTION A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL??!! Damn right! Same as I would question a plumber or any service provider. I was somewhat amused till
I saw that remark about questioning a PAID service provider.
I also take offense to the the uppity way you refer to bigswoles degree(s).
All this over some trivial needle use question. Someone please end this one.
I would never lend credence to anything I would hear from Kid1 regardless
of his education .

you feel the mods need your help to do their jobs?


lock the thread for what?Bottom line is I own a clinic and have stated what my anesthesiologist does and what I have learned.

uppity about Bigswoles degree? he is arguing outside the realm of his education and as I stated I wouldn't be arguing about engineering as I am not educated or licensed,lol.

What is your age and what is it you do for a living Mr.Turbousa ?

Pretty opinionated LITTLE fella huh?

PAID service provider? missed the mention of that?

Your a piece of work thats for sure

I think the thread is getting a little sidetracked. Let's get back to the point.

After doing a little searching I now beg to differ.

Here is something I found.



This is quoted from:
**broken link removed**

which is a ..... wait for it..... Nursing handbook!
I'm quite sure that this manual has enough names and certifications of
various Highly Educated Healthcare providers to lend it some credibility.

Now that we know for a fact that this isn't broscience my next
question would be where did you and Peter learn 'correct' injection protocol?

We now know that to be fact? from a UK online nursing manual?:naughty: Not quite kid.

My staff has all been educated ,passed state and national boards and has done all their CEU's pertaining to there work.If you think you can be as knowlegeable doing internet searches and using online handbooks?well,I beg to differ.



I will have to ask him seriously guys,because if a U.K. online nursing handbook has this as procedure,Then his job and license in the USA may be on the line?

All those years to become an anesthesiologist and a couple guys not in the field have disproved his methods

This is exactly why so many good educated people continuosly leave this board.The know it alls that continue to show up to preach and not to learn.Now you got people questioning anesthesiologists? have you guys seen what their education level is?

Point is a needle doesn't need to be changed after drawing.And the scar tissue is trivial.

If you have a massage therapist massaging your ass for hours to break up scar tissue from that much AAS use that might be a problem and something to look at seriously.Different injection sites, less injections etc..

 

[kid1dakota]

I think the thread is getting a little sidetracked. Let's get back to the point.



After doing a little searching I now beg to differ.

Here is something I found.



This is quoted from:
**broken link removed**

which is a ..... wait for it..... Nursing handbook!

I'm quite sure that this manual has enough names and certifications of
various Highly Educated Healthcare providers to lend it some credibility.

Now that we know for a fact that this isn't broscience my next
question would be where did you and Peter learn 'correct' injection protocol?

This is from THE UK!! they have different procedures and laws. I was educated and practice in the United States of America.At least find something that would be comparable.So your bashing my anesthesiologist because he doesn't follow U.K. nursing protocal,jesus christ!!:banghead:

I know in England most don't use rubbing alcohol pre-injection.But we do in the U.S.A.
They also don't start I.V.s for everything like we do here in the states.

 

[J4CKT]

My staff has all been educated ,passed
state and national boards and has done all their CEU's pertaining to
there work.

Yours and your staff's credibility OR qualification isn't being questioned.
That isn't even the focus of the thread.

If you think you can be as knowlegeable doing internet searches
and using online handbooks?well,I beg to differ.

Knowledgeable about what? No one is claiming to be a doctor here. We
are debating whether or not it's better to use a new pin every time you
shoot.

You are the one saying you need to be a Highly Educated Healthcare
Providers to have an opinion on the subject when really it isn't that
complicated to see that a reused needle is going to cause more pain and
therefore tissue damage.

Now whether or not the difference is significant enough to warrant
following another procedure (changing needles etc) is clearly upto the
person administering the injection since not doing so clearly isnt going to
kill you.

For you its a waste of supplies while for me (and i assume many others) I
see this as an effort in taking every step to minimise the chance of scar
tissue since we perform many, frequent injections.

Please don't downplay the credibility of the nursing manual i linked just
because it is published on the internet. That's ignorant. If that's the case
why don't you just tell pubmed to shut up shop since all they have are
'internet articles'.

The fact that its 'UK protocol' is completely irrelevant...
*a needle is still a needle no matter what country it's in.
*an injection is still the same no matter what country its in.

I posted that just to prove the point that the way I (and others) look at
performing injections isn't automatically invalid just because we are not
licensed and practicing doctors and to show that there are people out
there with a qualified opinion who DO share the same view on the matter.

I will have to ask him seriously guys,because if an online nursing
handbook has this,his job and license may be on the line?

All those years to become an anesthesiologist and a couple guys not in
the field have disproved his methods

You can roll your eyes all you want it doesn't invalidate anything, stop
being a drama queen.

You are completely ignoring that there are health care practitioners who
are equally qualified if not moreso who do not believe in reusing needles.

So the medical professionals who wrote that guidebook and all the books
referenced therein are not in the field?

This is exactly why so many good educated people continuosly
leave this board.The know it alls that continue to show up to preach and
not to learn.

I really doubt that. This board had many very well educated and
intelligent people (including you) and is exceptionally well moderated. The
bullshit is usually quite quickly swept out the door.

The only reason it turned into a shit storm is because you jumped on your
horse with your qualifications.

Now you got people questioning anesthesiologists? have you
guys seen what their education level is?

No. The only relevance your anaesthesiologist had was that he performed
injections without changing needles. I'm sure he is fully qualified and
good at what he does.

Point is a needle doesn't need to be changed after drawing.And
the scar tissue is trivial.

I would say the point is:

There IS a difference between reusing needles and not reusing needles.
Whether that difference is big or small, it is there.

 

[kid1dakota]

Please don't downplay the credibility of the nursing manual i linked just
because it is published on the internet. That's ignorant. If that's the case
why don't you just tell pubmed to shut up shop since all they have are
'internet articles'.

The fact that its 'UK protocol' is completely irrelevant...
*a needle is still a needle no matter what country it's in.
*an injection is still the same no matter what country its in

I wasn't trained in the UK protocal.If I were to study their protocal or they were to study ours we would fail each of our own boards miserably.So it is irrelevant unless I plan on practicing in the U.K..Also if I found myself in front of a review board due to something going wrong..I couldn't exactly use that as a source for a defense.

You can roll your eyes all you want it doesn't invalidate anything, stop
being a drama queen.

You are completely ignoring that there are health care practitioners who
are equally qualified if not moreso who do not believe in reusing needles.

So the medical professionals who wrote that guidebook and all the books
referenced therein are not in the field?

I explained to you what happens at my practice.Also me and Maldorf both explained we are prescribed ONE pin with our HRT.

I really doubt that. This board had many very well educated and
intelligent people (including you) and is exceptionally well moderated. The
bullshit is usually quite quickly swept out the door.

The only reason it turned into a shit storm is because you jumped on your
horse with your qualifications.

Actually, many have left or just read and don't post as everything posted has a relatively new guy pop up arguing.Some very intelligent guys have left and it is sad as they were very experienced and valuable members.

I gave my qaulifications becuause I was told I was wrong and then the person said"maybe someone in the field will have an opinion" well I am in the field.

No. The only relevance your anaesthesiologist had was that he performed
injections without changing needles. I'm sure he is fully qualified and
good at what he does.

I am telling you they don't change for every inject!! I had cortisone injections just last year at another office by an interventional radiologist and he loaded the syringe with cortisone and injected about six times.

I would say the point is:

There IS a difference between reusing needles and not reusing needles.
Whether that difference is big or small, it is there.

Yes ,but really not neccassary to switch.Doesn't hurt to be cautious,but to all that have argued that in medicine it is performed that way are wrong.I chimed in stating I own a clinic and it isn't done that way.I had to state what I did,and what my clinic does.my credentials

You guys do what you want as this isn't worth my time to argue.But to tell someone that sees this every day they are wrong is what really concerns me.If I don't know ,I STFU and learn.You won't see me telling the guy who is the engineer about engineering,sad then go research overseas engineering and bash his methods, different generations I guess.

 

[dyno]

I'm sorry you misread my quotes and have re-stated exactly what I was conveying.
We make very nice profits and do NOT waste time or supplies.

You own a clinic and you don't understand what means the logo of a 2 in a circle crossed out?????
I didn't quote your statement,not!
Instad i repeat to you: if you uses a medical device carring the logo of SINGLE USE ONLY/DON'T REUSE IT, the logo is a 2 circled out, YOU MUST TO NOT REUSE IT. The script on the package is so clear...
a pair of photos
Just to know: every action in a clinical setting of western world is regulated by manuals, where have you read that you could use 2 time a syringe??? Shocking!!

 

[kid1dakota]

You own a clinic and you don't understand what means the logo of a 2 in a circle crossed out?????
I didn't quote your statement,not!
Instad i repeat to you: if you uses a medical device carring the logo of SINGLE USE ONLY/DON'T REUSE IT, the logo is a 2 circled out, YOU MUST TO NOT REUSE IT. The script on the package is so clear...
a pair of photos
Just to know: every action in a clinical setting of western world is regulated by manuals, where have you read that you could use 2 time a syringe??? Shocking!!

I tried to be nice the first time pal.I don't understand what the hell you are talking about.And frankly don't really care.Goodbye

EDIT:Actually,pal I just went and got a syringe that is a B-D 3 ml 22 1/2 as that as that is what most guys prefer.
There is NOT a # 2 circled out.it says do not reshield used needles,discard after use

Becton Dickinson & co.
Franklin Lakes NJ 07417

The sku is (01)00382903095742

Sorry pal ,you have different needles,are you okay and done now?

 

[dyno]

I tried to be nice the first time pal.I don't understand what the hell you are talking about.And frankly don't really care.Goodbye

Aren't the photos enough clear?

 

[kid1dakota]

Aren't the photos enough clear?

Mine don't have that as I editted the above post.

Those are also single use nonremovable pin insulin needles you are showing me.The luer-loks we use don't have that

 

[dyno]

Mine don't have that as I editted the above post.

Those are also single use nonremovable pin insulin needles you are showing me.The luer-loks we use don't have that

Understood. The 2 cricled out is due to european law, because near it there is the logo CE "Conformité Européenne" (like Needles Yellow 30g 1/2"
from Sterilesyringes.com).
Different countries different giudelines.

 

[kid1dakota]

Understood. The 2 cricled out is due to european law, because near it there is the logo CE "Conformité Européenne" (like Needles Yellow 30g 1/2"
from Sterilesyringes.com).
Different countries different giudelines.

Yes,I looked at a couple different and they didn't have that.