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Wow just had a bad slin expierence

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So i've only done slin once before along with GH about 1.5years ago. Maybe it was bunk slin or underdosed or something after I tell you what just happened. So when I first tried it I started small at 3iu's and followed the 10carb per iu rule followed by 5carbs per iu an hour later,etc.... and worked my way to 10iu's pwo. So today I just got some lilly humalog in the mail that im saving for a bulker. So I decided to just try a small dose today pwo. I took 5 iu's and had about 60g carbs from juicy juice with my whey,etc.... So about 15min later im sitting on the computer and I started getting this aweful headrush like I was gonna passout. I felt dizzy and it freaked me out so I jumped up and grabbed the bottle of juicy juice and just started chugging it. I also walked outside and then everything started to clear up. This was very very odd. I know I should have been smarted and used a bsl reader but I figured if I went over the 10carb per iu rule i'd be fine esp at such a small dose of slin. So WTF happened. Im thinking a few things.

1.) First time I tried slin I took it 20min after my gh shot and had waxy maize for my carbs. So maybe since I had juicy juice(%100 fruit) that may have caused a prob?

2.) This time im not on GH. I worked out, took 150mcg GHRP6, waited 10min took 5ius slin and had my drink right away. Maybe the ghrp had something to do with it?

3.) Maybe since I havent done slin for so long I should have started at like 3iu's instead of 5 and maybe by body went into shock or something.

4.) Been on 40mcg clen the past week but thats pretty low dose, dont see how that could have interfered.

Regaurdless this was scary as hell and i've been around too long to make a mistake like this so im really wondering what the hell happened.
 
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i always use dextrose, no juices or candy etc and i've never had a prob. maybe try that.
 
^^^ Will do. thanks, anyone have any idea whyt his happened? Im gonna try again in a few days with 3iu's and use waxy maize and see what happens, but this time have the tabs onhand.
 
people usually fail to realize that slin (even humalog) STAYS active for quite a while... it doesn't work for 3 minutes and if you take in carbs during those 3 minutes you're good to go. when you take in simple sugars all in one go, they will be absorbed quickly and the slin will bring the BGL down quite rapidly. what happens when all the "juicy juice" is absorbed and slin is still active? lower BG. I never understood this "eat immediately, then wait 1 hour and eat again" thing. you can easily cut your carb intake down and just constatly munch on things. so, instead of drinking those 60 grams of carbs in 2 seconds. just keep sipping on it for 30 minutes.
also, GH causes BG to rise (I don't know how, but i believe DatBtrue would have info on that) and it decreases insulin sensitivity (not sure about this). so, when you take GH+slin, you won't go hypo as fast as you would without the GH.
 
Hmmmm maybe b/c before when on GH i was fine and now that im only on ghrp6 and waited 10min after the shot to take my slin maybe that caused it. I still kinda have a feeling my first time I did slin it was bad slin. It came from a source who later turned scammer(aka labs) and it was from china and was sent warm,etc.. I didnt really notice anything when I added it either. Never once got a hypo feeling or anything. Didnt notice much size increase either although i was on a lot of other stuff. Had a bsl meter and always was checking my levels and never were they low, always stayed on the higher end. Man, now im gonna have to get a bsl meter and go through all the pricking again :( I'd rather get punched that prick my finger lol
 
Keep glucose tabs in your pocket at all times when you have insulin active.

That is your life insurance.


Bingo. That's what saved me when me when I used slin for the very first time. Without it I would've gone into insulin shock/coma.
 
Well this is my experince

Humalog my experience...

Well to give u some info on my Humalog use...I administer it eod 10 iu's 4 times a day. After my morning meal I’ll wait 3 hours and shoot 10 iu's Humalog, there after I’ll eat 500g of lean mince and drink a whey protein shake(no carbs, on high protein low fats diet) with added Arginine, Alanine, Gluthamine and Taurine...this I will again repeat exactly 3 hours later. 1 thing I did notice was that when I try to eat the same amount of Chicken I did tend to experince a bit of blood sugar drop but nothing taken the mince.

Eod I'll shoot 150mg Suspension in my lats (to ramp up my IGF 1 on the site) that will obviously bind to my SHBG hormone as explain below...


Protocol Example
Day Protocol Day Protocol
1. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 15. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
2. Humalog 10iu 4xd 16. Humalog 10iu 4xd
3. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 17. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
4. Humalog 10iu 4xd 18. Humalog 10iu 4xd
5. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 19. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
6. Humalog 10iu 4xd 20. Humalog 10iu 4xd
7. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 21. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
8. Humalog 10iu 4xd 22. Humalog 10iu 4xd
9. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 23. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
10. Humalog 10iu 4xd 24. Humalog 10iu 4xd
11. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 25. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
12. Humalog 10iu 4xd 26. Humalog 10iu 4xd
13. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 27. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
14. Humalog 10iu 4xd 28. Humalog 10iu 4xd


Testosterone Sus. = testosterone suspension

150mg of testosterone suspension created a great deal of estrogen since it originates as a non-esterfied AAS. Estrogen up-regulated the muscle cells glucose transporters called GLUT-4 and increased androgen receptor sensitivity. This also meant that the administered testosterone was free or unbound from its inactivating protein SHBG. A great deal of the hormone entering the circulatory system was quickly bound, though not before a serious degree of anabolism occurred. But there is a portion left bound and in reserve.

Insulin inhibited SHBG resulting in a synergistic pro-anabolic response. By freeing the remaining prior days administered testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity was realized. Since SHBG is also estrogens binding protein the excretion of estrogens was dramatically accelerated. This resulted in rapid estrogen clearing and a notable increase in GH secretion which was amplified by the lack of the inhibitory effect normally caused by excess glucose. As most readers are aware, GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1. The end result was adequate glucose regeneration at the expense of adipose tissue with a profound degree of lean tissue protein synthesis and growth.

So far Im on day 11 with an added 25 pounds and still visible abs and veins on my legs that indicates that I'm gettin leaner.Even my bitch tits is getting smaller by the use of the insulin in this kinda protocol...Long live ALR

This is just my 2 cents on the use of Humanlog.
 
Insulin inhibited SHBG resulting in a synergistic pro-anabolic response. By freeing the remaining prior days administered testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity was realized. Since SHBG is also estrogens binding protein the excretion of estrogens was dramatically accelerated. This resulted in rapid estrogen clearing and a notable increase in GH secretion which was amplified by the lack of the inhibitory effect normally caused by excess glucose. As most readers are aware, GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1. The end result was adequate glucose regeneration at the expense of adipose tissue with a profound degree of lean tissue protein synthesis and growth.

From what i gather you are basically using Insulin to free up test that has binded to the SHBG from the excess Test suspension dosage used? It also acts as an "anti-estrogen" from what i gather too? And how would proviron compare to that of insulin in terms of freeing up test in this case? And in the case of using esterified test, eg test enanthate, how much of it would end up binding to shbg if shot twice weekly at 250mg a time?

I apologize in advance for the dumb questions and if what i interpreted above was wrong but would you care explaining this paragraph in slightly simpler terms for a dumb person like me? :D

I find this usage of insulin extremely interesting and makes a lot of sense, instead of what mostly others are generally using it for, shuttling carbs pwo and all the weird theories they come up with that make no sense.
 
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From what i gather you are basically using Insulin to free up test that has binded to the SHBG from the excess Test suspension dosage used? It also acts as an "anti-estrogen" from what i gather too? And how would proviron compare to that of insulin in terms of freeing up test in this case? And in the case of using esterified test, eg test enanthate, how much of it would end up binding to shbg if shot twice weekly at 250mg a time?

I apologize in advance for the dumb questions and if what i interpreted above was wrong but would you care explaining this paragraph in slightly simpler terms for a dumb person like me? :D

I find this usage of insulin extremely interesting and makes a lot of sense, instead of what mostly others are generally using it for, shuttling carbs pwo and all the weird theories they come up with that make no sense.


Okay first some science geek stuff…
Too much sugar turns off gene that controls the effects of sex steroids
November 10th, 2007

Eating too much fructose and glucose can turn off the gene that regulates the levels of active testosterone and estrogen in the body, shows a new study in mice and human cell cultures that’s published this month in the Journal of Clinical Investigation. This discovery reinforces public health advice to eat complex carbohydrates and avoid sugar=Insulin

Sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) is a glycoprotein that binds to sex hormones, specifically testosterone and estradiol. Other steroid hormones such as progesterone, cortisol, and other corticosteroids are bound by transcortin.

SHBG levels appear to be controlled by a delicate balance of enhancing and inhibiting factors. Its level is decreased by high levels of insulin and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). Also, high androgen levels decrease SHBG, while high estrogen and thyroxine levels increase it.

There are total, bound and free testosterone plasma levels. Bound testosterone, or any androgen/AAS, is inactive and bound by SHBG (Sex
hormone binding globulin) and has no effect because it cannot merge with receptor sites. Free testosterone is the only active form and accounts for about 1-3% of total testosterone /Androgen plasma levels. So a total testosterone threshold of 100 MG would only provide 1-3 MG, approximately, of free and active testosterone.

Only the free unbound AAS molecules can merge with a receptor-site and
therefore be termed as active. The bondage team that binds hormones are blood proteins called Sex-Hormone-Binding-Globulin (SHGB) and Albumin. Different alterations in chemical structures, either man-made or naturally occurring, are either more or less resistant to binding. This means alterations in an AAS chemical structure could allow it to exist in a greater percentage of unbound/active state. So less could do more.
Testosterone circulates in a bound state at a rate (or percentage) of 98-99% and an unbound state at a rate of 1 -2%. For the curious, 65% is bound by SHBG, and 33% is bound by Albumin, plus or minus 1%.
So the higher the percentage of an AAS circulating in the blood stream in the unbound/active state, the greater the number of potential bindings/mergence with receptor-sites.

Insulin suppressed cortisol release while inhibiting circulatory cortisol activity. It also increased androgen activity and down regulated SHBG. This resulted in an elevated plasma level of free (unbound) testosterone and lower cortisol levels/activity to inhibit androgenic induced protein synthesis. So it obviously required very little endogenous or exogenous testosterone to stimulate anabolism. Insulin is both anabolic and anti-catabolic. We know about insulin's ability to shuttle amino acids and glucose into tissues, unfortunately it also is the main fat storage hormone.(and for this reason I run a no carb high protein calorie diet)
Research has also shown insulin affects storage of only about half of the essential amino acids. But Insulin also reduces SHBG? So when AAS were stacked or layered with Insulin in a protocol there was an existing increase in free testosterone.

Back to Testosterone Enanhate...All drugs have an active-life and a half-life. Knowing a drug's average effective active-life and half-life is important information. An activelife is the entire period of time a parent drug remains active once administered. A drug's half-life is one half of its active-life and the period of time required for half of its administered dosage to disperse and metabolize.

Testosterone Enanthate has an "effective" active-life of about 8 days and a
half-life of about 4 days. Once a 200mg dosage of testosterone enanthate has been administered, it will take about 4 days for 100 mg of the administered dosage to disperse from the injection site and reach peak activity. This is the half-life point.
After the peak activity point/half-life, the second 100 mg disperses over the
following 4 days. The two 4 day periods make up the 8-day "effective" active-life. That explanation would seem idiotic if equal daily dispersal rates actually existed, and it would be nice. Actually, from the point of administration of the 200 mg dosage, the amount of testosterone that is released from the injection site gradually increases until it peaks
at the half-life. After the peak or half-life, the drug is less and less active (less anabolic/less androgenic/less anti-catabolic) until it is completely dispensed and metabolized.
If the goal is a more even dispersal rate, a drug must be administered on a
repeat basis at its average half-life point. This is true regardless of method for drug administration. It also allowed for pre-chosen peaks and dips in a drug's activity for specific-intent, and the ability to structure protocols for specific interests or Action/Reaction Factors.

So breaking it down to a cycle I'll shoot 1ml Testosterone Enhantate ed for 8 day's and layer some insulin in at day 8 where the first shot would have start ramping down the next day the second and so on...I will continue with the insulin for 10 day's on a low carb diet with alot of protein calories.

Yes proviron did also possess the abillity to bind to SHBG at a high rate so also a great SHBG inhibitor.

I hope this will shed some light on your question and help you think out of the box with some logic to take your body to the next level.
 
So breaking it down to a cycle I'll shoot 1ml Testosterone Enhantate ed for 8 day's and layer some insulin in at day 8 where the first shot would have start ramping down the next day the second and so on...I will continue with the insulin for 10 day's on a low carb diet with alot of protein calories.
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So, your way of running enanthate would be running 1ml ED for 8 days and than insulin ED for 10 days, repeating the cycle again on day 18?

Also, what are your opinions of the traditional way of dosing enanthate on a twice weekly basis, eg, Mon, Thurs shots?

Lastly, if one doesn't incorporate an SHBG inhibitor during a test cycle, whether it be proviron or insulin, would doing the cycle be a waste of time as free test levels would be lower than usual?

I did try incorporating proviron in cycles before at a dose of 50mg daily, but didnt find any difference whether i was using it or not. It might be due to the quality (UG instead of pharma grade), have no idea.

Maximizing the benefits of cycling test would be better rather than increasing the dosage itself, from my point of view. I did go up to 750mg weekly for enanthate but i'm currently only doing 500mg weekly and find no difference in size or strength.
 
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You probably were using bad insulin before. You probably have good insulin sensitivity, especially after a workout. What most likely happened is that you took the insulin and then immediately drank the juice. Your body then released its own insulin to deal with the juice and was already working when the Humalog kicked in so it was like you had taken much less carbs or no carbs. The fact that it happened at 15 minutes when the Humalog would most likely have kicked in supports this idea. That is why I usually inject the insulin then wait a bit and then eat slower acting carbs. I figure they are in my system enough by the time the insulin kicks in to keep blood sugar up, yet they don't get absorbed so fast that my insulin levels spike before the injected insulin has a chance to work and the fast acting carbs are disposed of too quickly leaving me with low blood sugar when the injected insulin hits. It could have been the GHRP-6 kicking in and making you feel that way, but not likely because of the time line and the fact that you had been using GHRP-6 before and would know the difference in feelings.
 
Humalog my experience...

Well to give u some info on my Humalog use...I administer it eod 10 iu's 4 times a day. After my morning meal I’ll wait 3 hours and shoot 10 iu's Humalog, there after I’ll eat 500g of lean mince and drink a whey protein shake(no carbs, on high protein low fats diet) with added Arginine, Alanine, Gluthamine and Taurine...this I will again repeat exactly 3 hours later. 1 thing I did notice was that when I try to eat the same amount of Chicken I did tend to experince a bit of blood sugar drop but nothing taken the mince.

Eod I'll shoot 150mg Suspension in my lats (to ramp up my IGF 1 on the site) that will obviously bind to my SHBG hormone as explain below...


Protocol Example
Day Protocol Day Protocol
1. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 15. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
2. Humalog 10iu 4xd 16. Humalog 10iu 4xd
3. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 17. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
4. Humalog 10iu 4xd 18. Humalog 10iu 4xd
5. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 19. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
6. Humalog 10iu 4xd 20. Humalog 10iu 4xd
7. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 21. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
8. Humalog 10iu 4xd 22. Humalog 10iu 4xd
9. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 23. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
10. Humalog 10iu 4xd 24. Humalog 10iu 4xd
11. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 25. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
12. Humalog 10iu 4xd 26. Humalog 10iu 4xd
13. Testosterone Sus. 150mg 27. Testosterone Sus. 150mg
14. Humalog 10iu 4xd 28. Humalog 10iu 4xd


Testosterone Sus. = testosterone suspension

150mg of testosterone suspension created a great deal of estrogen since it originates as a non-esterfied AAS. Estrogen up-regulated the muscle cells glucose transporters called GLUT-4 and increased androgen receptor sensitivity. This also meant that the administered testosterone was free or unbound from its inactivating protein SHBG. A great deal of the hormone entering the circulatory system was quickly bound, though not before a serious degree of anabolism occurred. But there is a portion left bound and in reserve.

Insulin inhibited SHBG resulting in a synergistic pro-anabolic response. By freeing the remaining prior days administered testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity was realized. Since SHBG is also estrogens binding protein the excretion of estrogens was dramatically accelerated. This resulted in rapid estrogen clearing and a notable increase in GH secretion which was amplified by the lack of the inhibitory effect normally caused by excess glucose. As most readers are aware, GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1. The end result was adequate glucose regeneration at the expense of adipose tissue with a profound degree of lean tissue protein synthesis and growth.

So far Im on day 11 with an added 25 pounds and still visible abs and veins on my legs that indicates that I'm gettin leaner.Even my bitch tits is getting smaller by the use of the insulin in this kinda protocol...Long live ALR

This is just my 2 cents on the use of Humanlog.

So you are using ALR's protocol of insulin with less than 50 grams of carbs a day and glucose coming from gluconeogenesis? I have read that and found it interesting but never tried it or known of anyone who did. Sounds very interesting, I'll probably PM you in a couple weeks to see how things worked out, if you don't have a thread going on it.(I don't post hear much and miss a lot of things.)
 
My Experince...

So you are using ALR's protocol of insulin with less than 50 grams of carbs a day and glucose coming from gluconeogenesis? I have read that and found it interesting but never tried it or known of anyone who did. Sounds very interesting, I'll probably PM you in a couple weeks to see how things worked out, if you don't have a thread going on it.(I don't post hear much and miss a lot of things.)

Hey Pretzel,

I think it will be good to start a new thread on the Big fat bastard protocol, but feel free to pm me any questions regarding this protocol.

Take care
 
My view on this...

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So, your way of running enanthate would be running 1ml ED for 8 days and than insulin ED for 10 days, repeating the cycle again on day 18?

Also, what are your opinions of the traditional way of dosing enanthate on a twice weekly basis, eg, Mon, Thurs shots?

Lastly, if one doesn't incorporate an SHBG inhibitor during a test cycle, whether it be proviron or insulin, would doing the cycle be a waste of time as free test levels would be lower than usual?

I did try incorporating proviron in cycles before at a dose of 50mg daily, but didnt find any difference whether i was using it or not. It might be due to the quality (UG instead of pharma grade), have no idea.

Maximizing the benefits of cycling test would be better rather than increasing the dosage itself, from my point of view. I did go up to 750mg weekly for enanthate but i'm currently only doing 500mg weekly and find no difference in size or strength.


Hey Matrix,

Thanks for all your interest in my opinion on certain aspects of running protocols.

On running Test Enanthate where you will shoot 250mg everyday for 8 day’s and then switch over to insulin to inhibit the SHBG, you must remember that there will be test in circulation till day 16. So what you want to do is take advantage from the test that you shot on day 1 till 8 to run free and then start layer in some insulin for the next 10 day’s to inhibit SHBG.

On the traditional way of shooting enanthate on a twice weekly basis…I don’t think its wrong but I don’t see a lot of logic in that way.
Like ALRI I get better results running with a chemicals half and active life to counter negative side effects. So get in, hit hard, and get out is my theory.
You must remember that your body always seeks Homeostasis in less than 21 day’s…so to go and shoot test enanhate twice a week for 6 weeks is working against your body…and for everything action you take there will be a re action from your body’s side.

I don’t think your whole cycle will be a waste of time depending on how many cycles you did previously and what your blood test shows.

Maybe you want to opt for some over the counter product containing the next active ingredient…

Eurycoma Longifolia lack: AKA Long Jack
There have been quite a few studies with this plant. The effects of eurycoma
were studied on the libido of sexually experienced male rats after dosing them with 200, 400 and 800 mg/kg body weight twice daily for 10 days. Results showed that eurycoma produced a dose-dependent increase in mounting frequency of the treated animals. Further studies also showed that eurycoma promoted the growth of both ventral prostate and seminal vesicles. (Human studies showed the response at much lower dosages).

Fenugreek
Reduces urinary sugars about 40-50 % and
increases L.H. production. Fenugreek seed has a unique 0.9% content of the amino acid 4-hydroxy-lsoleucine which is a pancreatic stimulator and the ground complex contains HPTA stimulatory samponins. The ground seed is several times more active than the ground herb. However, 4oz. of the ground herb acts to slow the digestion of sugars and is an excellent roughage.

"Of course Insulin is an excellent SHBG controller. But health is
paramount to progress. Sometimes the most benign appearing natural
substances have the most profound long-term synergistic effects. A drug is not necessarily the best choice when the goal can be accomplished without potential additional negative Action/Reaction Factors to consider”.
– Author L Rea

I always think its better to get Pharma grade chemicals if possible or from a reputable UG Lab.

"More is not always better unless we are discussing breasts". – Author L Rea
 
You probably were using bad insulin before. You probably have good insulin sensitivity, especially after a workout. What most likely happened is that you took the insulin and then immediately drank the juice. Your body then released its own insulin to deal with the juice and was already working when the Humalog kicked in so it was like you had taken much less carbs or no carbs. The fact that it happened at 15 minutes when the Humalog would most likely have kicked in supports this idea. That is why I usually inject the insulin then wait a bit and then eat slower acting carbs. I figure they are in my system enough by the time the insulin kicks in to keep blood sugar up, yet they don't get absorbed so fast that my insulin levels spike before the injected insulin has a chance to work and the fast acting carbs are disposed of too quickly leaving me with low blood sugar when the injected insulin hits. It could have been the GHRP-6 kicking in and making you feel that way, but not likely because of the time line and the fact that you had been using GHRP-6 before and would know the difference in feelings.


I tried it again the other day with only 3iu's of slin and drank 50carbs from poweraid this time and was fine. Was off ghrp6 and on 3iu's of GH. So it was either the ghrp6 or that I had fruit juice that caused my prob the first time.
 
It's a good protocol,but during how long of time i repeat this protocol,with enanthate?

So, your way of running enanthate would be running 1ml ED for 8 days and than insulin ED for 10 days, repeating the cycle again on day 18?
 
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It's a good protocol,but during how long of time i repeat this protocol,with enanthate?

So, your way of running enanthate would be running 1ml ED for 8 days and than insulin ED for 10 days, repeating the cycle again on day 18?

Hi Massbuild,

You got 2 options here, either you go clean for awhile after your last insulin or you can repeat the cycle again with the same dossages. My advice will be to get some bloodwork done before and after the protocol.

Take care
 
Hi Massbuild,

You got 2 options here, either you go clean for awhile after your last insulin or you can repeat the cycle again with the same dossages. My advice will be to get some bloodwork done before and after the protocol.

Take care

HI scientiste,ok,Testo enan.8 days,insulin 10 days and repeat.I start this protocol after my contest,but what do you think to stack testo.enan. with masteron enan.ex:½ml of each.Thanks!
 
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