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Fertility Update - After 10 Years of TRT...

Diesel1981

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I just came back from the ultrasound where I saw our baby's heart beat for the first time. I hope this thread will give some other's in my situation some positive encouragement.

I am 34 years old. I've been on TRT for just over 10 years. I have never taken over 350mg total per week but nonetheless, 10 years of straight use. I've never taken HCG with any real consistency either. I've always been scripted through juice clinics down in South Florida. Legal, but not medically necessary.

My wife and I decided we wanted a child. On June 15th, I quit TRT. I gave myself two weeks for the esters to clear and started PCT on the 1st of July.

Starting on July 1st and ending on October 1st (3 full months), I took the following supplements:
75ius of HMG twice a week
1500ius of HCG three times a week
.5mg of arimidex twice a week.

I wasn't religious with the days. Sometimes I would forget but I'd always get my weekly doses in.

The second week of October was our first attempt to conceive and apparently, it worked.

I was terrified that I made a huge, selfish mistake that would prevent me from having a kid. I truly believe the HMG/HCG combo got everything back in working order.

Now don't get me wrong, I feel like crap. I have sore joints, I'm always tired, my strength has gone down and fat has crept up. I will be going back on TRT in a few weeks. My blood work is all within the normal ranges even though I feel like an 80 year old man compared to only 6 months ago.

I highly recommend looking into HMG/HCG for any of the guys who want to conceive. I have no idea if my protocol was "by the books" or not. All I know, is that it worked for me.
 
Thats great info and congrats on your first child!

Thank you. I wish I had lab results to post that backs up the HMG/HCG therapy but apparently all you need is one swimmer to figure out which was the goal..
 
I just came back from the ultrasound where I saw our baby's heart beat for the first time. I hope this thread will give some other's in my situation some positive encouragement.

I am 34 years old. I've been on TRT for just over 10 years. I have never taken over 350mg total per week but nonetheless, 10 years of straight use. I've never taken HCG with any real consistency either. I've always been scripted through juice clinics down in South Florida. Legal, but not medically necessary.

My wife and I decided we wanted a child. On June 15th, I quit TRT. I gave myself two weeks for the esters to clear and started PCT on the 1st of July.

Starting on July 1st and ending on October 1st (3 full months), I took the following supplements:
75ius of HMG twice a week
1500ius of HCG three times a week
.5mg of arimidex twice a week.

I wasn't religious with the days. Sometimes I would forget but I'd always get my weekly doses in.

The second week of October was our first attempt to conceive and apparently, it worked.

I was terrified that I made a huge, selfish mistake that would prevent me from having a kid. I truly believe the HMG/HCG combo got everything back in working order.

Now don't get me wrong, I feel like crap. I have sore joints, I'm always tired, my strength has gone down and fat has crept up. I will be going back on TRT in a few weeks. My blood work is all within the normal ranges even though I feel like an 80 year old man compared to only 6 months ago.

I highly recommend looking into HMG/HCG for any of the guys who want to conceive. I have no idea if my protocol was "by the books" or not. All I know, is that it worked for me.

That's great news ,I used hcg and hmg to regain my fertility as well and my son is now 5 months old .best of luck to you and your wife !
 
Congrats man ! Good to know those options can and do work. Its also very impressive how quickly you got your wife preggo.
 
Just read that to my wife as we are now trying for our first child as well. Congrats to you and your wife. What a terrific way to start the Christmas season!


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would it be a mistake if you used 100-150mg wk of test with hcg and clomid? thats my plan for when i decide for a child. or should i take off test altogether?
 
would it be a mistake if you used 100-150mg wk of test with hcg and clomid? thats my plan for when i decide for a child. or should i take off test altogether?

You can continue to use test without a problem in most cases (like mine also). Just make sure you start HCG about 3 months before you want to get your wife pregnant. I used 500iu twice a week and fertility was very good. Got my wife pregnant but unfortunately it was miscarriage after 7 weeks. About 5 weeks later she got pregnant again and we will have of first girl in about 5 days!!
 
I'm not interested in having a child any time soon, I am only 25, but fertility is something I've done research on for future purpose and I've never seen anything work better than HCG/HMG combo.. Some people get results with HCG/Clomid alone like above poster and some others but I've seen people stay on TRT or even big cycles and take HCG/HMG and get their girls prego fairly quickly like OP did. Only complain I hear is people sat HMG is pricey but who cares when you want to bring a child into the world, right?
 
Congrats!

I would suggest saying completely off until she is about 25-30 weeks in though bro. Seriously, you may have gotten luck but if i were you I would use this time to continue to recover until you know everything is good.

Id suggest using low dose clomid and aromasin now until that time.
 
would it be a mistake if you used 100-150mg wk of test with hcg and clomid? thats my plan for when i decide for a child. or should i take off test altogether?

I have no idea how exogenous testosterone plays into the whole equation when you add in HMG and HCG. I have friends who have conceived while on test and hcg. I thought about trying to stay on test, but ultimately a child was more important and the timing was right for us so I just bit the bullet.

Its been a rough 6 months but certainly manageable. I changed my diet and training to compensate for the size and strength loss. I went on a "diet" by cutting carbs, added in some cardio and switched from a workout composed around heavy compound movements to one full of pre-exhaustion exercises and drop sets. Sort of tricking my mind into not thinking about losing strength on the exercises I always did. An example would be reversing my leg workout. I'd start with calves, then leg curls, then extensions, then lunges and finish with squats.

To be honest, the scale didn't move very much. I picked up a few lbs of fat around my midsection and my delts and forearms lost that "look", but other than that not too many people noticed a drastic change.

To answer the other question, the cost wasn't too bad. It ran about $75 a week for 2 kits of HMG and a kit of HCG. A small price to pay for giving my wife the one thing that money can't buy!
 
Congrats!

I would suggest saying completely off until she is about 25-30 weeks in though bro. Seriously, you may have gotten luck but if i were you I would use this time to continue to recover until you know everything is good.

Id suggest using low dose clomid and aromasin now until that time.

Thank you and I understand what you're saying. I haven't touched any PCT meds since Oct 1st so I'd rather not start anything now. The labs came back normal last week. That includes FSH, LH, T3, T4, estrogens and tests so my body is working on its own. My biggest concern was if I'd be able to produce viable swimmers. I have, so the rest we'll leave in God's hands..
 
I personally feel that fertility issues associated with gear are LARGELY overrated. If I had to guess, I would say that most people that have problems with fertility after gear use, probably had fertility issues before they ever started. There are far too many pros that have children, and far too many people that have conceived while on cycle. I NEVER use AAS as birth control.
 
I personally feel that fertility issues associated with gear are LARGELY overrated. If I had to guess, I would say that most people that have problems with fertility after gear use, probably had fertility issues before they ever started. There are far too many pros that have children, and far too many people that have conceived while on cycle. I NEVER use AAS as birth control.

I'll second that. My girl is pregnant with our son. I take more than HRT. Never touched any fertilization drugs


Guys also have to remember it only take on sperm and one egg. and don't always assume it's the male who has fertility issues.
 
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I just came back from the ultrasound where I saw our baby's heart beat for the first time. I hope this thread will give some other's in my situation some positive encouragement.

I am 34 years old. I've been on TRT for just over 10 years. I have never taken over 350mg total per week but nonetheless, 10 years of straight use. I've never taken HCG with any real consistency either. I've always been scripted through juice clinics down in South Florida. Legal, but not medically necessary.

My wife and I decided we wanted a child. On June 15th, I quit TRT. I gave myself two weeks for the esters to clear and started PCT on the 1st of July.

Starting on July 1st and ending on October 1st (3 full months), I took the following supplements:
75ius of HMG twice a week
1500ius of HCG three times a week
.5mg of arimidex twice a week.

I wasn't religious with the days. Sometimes I would forget but I'd always get my weekly doses in.

The second week of October was our first attempt to conceive and apparently, it worked.

I was terrified that I made a huge, selfish mistake that would prevent me from having a kid. I truly believe the HMG/HCG combo got everything back in working order.

Now don't get me wrong, I feel like crap. I have sore joints, I'm always tired, my strength has gone down and fat has crept up. I will be going back on TRT in a few weeks. My blood work is all within the normal ranges even though I feel like an 80 year old man compared to only 6 months ago.

I highly recommend looking into HMG/HCG for any of the guys who want to conceive. I have no idea if my protocol was "by the books" or not. All I know, is that it worked for me.

that's awesome bro ,congrats, I believe if there was nothing wrong fertility wise before you started juicing ,you will be fine in fertility department when you come off, now one question, did you need cialias or Viagra when trying ,or could you still perform without it
 
OP, your testosterone levels are in normal range now? DO you recall what your Total T was in the BW results? And just to confirm, you were also off of HCG/HMG when the lab work was performed?

I went on doc prescribed TRT at 24yr old. Started with the Gel but it didn't raise my levels (200 total T), so i've been on Cypionate for over 5years now. Last time I got my sperm level done, I had a count of ZERO. This was a couple years into my therapy. So in my case, I do use my TRT as birthcontrol since I have the labs to back it up.

A few years ago, I dropped the Test C and tried low dose clomid. 12.5mgs ed had all my hormone levels in normal range, including Total T that came back in the low 600s. I also jump started the hormone loop by using 1,000mcgs HCG on MWF for 2wks while the Cyp was clearing - and also2-3wks into the low dose of clomid. Because of these findings, I'm fairly confident that I too can have children by jumping back on solo clomid and jumping it off with HCG. Glad to hear your story!
 
that's awesome bro ,congrats, I believe if there was nothing wrong fertility wise before you started juicing ,you will be fine in fertility department when you come off, now one question, did you need cialias or Viagra when trying ,or could you still perform without it

I used both, sometimes both together. Low libido was by far the worst side effect of coming off.
 
OP, your testosterone levels are in normal range now? DO you recall what your Total T was in the BW results? And just to confirm, you were also off of HCG/HMG when the lab work was performed?

I went on doc prescribed TRT at 24yr old. Started with the Gel but it didn't raise my levels (200 total T), so i've been on Cypionate for over 5years now. Last time I got my sperm level done, I had a count of ZERO. This was a couple years into my therapy. So in my case, I do use my TRT as birthcontrol since I have the labs to back it up.

A few years ago, I dropped the Test C and tried low dose clomid. 12.5mgs ed had all my hormone levels in normal range, including Total T that came back in the low 600s. I also jump started the hormone loop by using 1,000mcgs HCG on MWF for 2wks while the Cyp was clearing - and also2-3wks into the low dose of clomid. Because of these findings, I'm fairly confident that I too can have children by jumping back on solo clomid and jumping it off with HCG. Glad to hear your story!

Total test was 470 ng/dL, my free test was around 8 ng/dL I believe. I'm sure on the total test number but not sure if the free test was 7.8 or 8.7.

My lab work was done last week. I have been off all PCT meds since Oct 1st .
 
You can continue to use test without a problem in most cases (like mine also). Just make sure you start HCG about 3 months before you want to get your wife pregnant. I used 500iu twice a week and fertility was very good. Got my wife pregnant but unfortunately it was miscarriage after 7 weeks. About 5 weeks later she got pregnant again and we will have of first girl in about 5 days!!


I tried for a year while staying on test, and it didn't work. Took hcg, hmg, Clomid, and proviron. Count never went up. If you're main focus is to conceive, I strongly suggest coming off everything. I wish that's what I had done from the beginning. I'm doing an in-vitro now with my wife.
 

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