Aspirin Therapy for the aas user

[saps]

I almost just PM'd this question to alpha but I think a great number of us could benefit from this topic being public.

I'm on the verge of starting this myself and I'm wondering who else is on this?

More than most sites the members of PM seem to take great ownership of all aspects of this lifestyle; far beyond merely what doses to run.

I myself a few years ago began donating blood as a way to lower iron, rbc, hematocrit, etc which as we all know will assuredly increase with prolonged and continued use of aas. I also like so many here take generous quantities of fish oil and drink green tea. I have even taken the step back in my quest for bigger stronger faster and run lower doses on my cruises ~150mg/wk than ever before just for the sake of the recovery of so many aspects of my bloodwork.

A problem I still have and I'm sure I'm not the only one is despite all the above I still have relatively thick blood. Because I am and have been doing so many of the natural pre-cursors I think I've arrived at the moment where I need to consider aspirin therapy. If I have been cruising on the aforementioned 150mg/wk for more than a month and if I'm well hydrated they can extract a pint of my blood in 6-8 minutes. If however, I'm a couple months into a blast of a gram or more of aas I've had it take 14-15 minutes for that same pint to be draw.

One concern I have I is I have read that if you start an aspirin regime and then discontinue it there can be a rebound effect which might then increase your risks for heart attack et al.

Now I have a genetic history of heart disease and high/bad cholesterol. I have made the decision to blast and cruise ad infinitum and as such I'm simply looking to maximize my heart and blood health. I already take a statin. I know I would not mind swallowing a 81mg aspirin daily, Lord knows I swallow probably 20 pills a day amongst all my different supplements and what not.

The obvious question is what does my doctor say? He says that it is not what he would term necessary for me but also that it likely would not hurt anything either. How's that for an oblivious answer. So really his input is not going to be a large factor in this decision.

So hopefully the experienced and the docs like Alpha can share their wisdom. On the surface it seems like a pretty easy slam-dunk decision to do it. Just wanna be sure because it sounds like if I start, like the statin it's going to be a forever more kinda thing.

 

[bieberhole69]

I've been taking a low dose aspirin daily for years. This study came out recently

Medical News:Low-Dose Aspirin Cuts Colon Cancer Risk - in Oncology/Hematology, Colon Cancer from MedPage Today

Good info in there, not exactly related to what you're asking...but may push you to go ahead and take low dose aspirin daily anyhow. I think everyone should be aware of this ^

 

[sammy555]

The first post i ever see alpha make was on this very subject. He was all for it

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[Stewie]

If my my memory serves me right, one of Alphas first threads was advocating taking a baby aspirin daily, it got kinda ugly in that thread, members bashing and doubting he is a doctor.
Then he shut a few up once he posted his picture and credentials.
Felt bad for him, held his composer well, under the circumstances.

I've been taking a baby aspirin nightly for several years, under my own decision, all my doctors are aware of it and never have said anything.

 

[concreter]

I also have a family history of heart disease and high blood pressure.
I've Been on a aspirin regiman for yrs, 1st a.m. with my coffee, l-carnitine and gh,
I'll take A day off Aspirin if I drank considerably the night before, you dont want your blood to thin and be a bleeder.
I believe it also helps clear cholesterol buildup out of your arteries.

 

[matt77]

I think aspirin therapy is very important. I take either a baby or full strength aspirin everyday. There are tons of health benefits for taking aspirin.

 

[djdizzy]

Mayo Clinic Aspirin
Dr. Virend Somers, is a Cardiologist from the Mayo Clinic,
who is lead author of the report in the July 29, 2008 issue of
the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

Most heart attacks occur in the day, generally
between 6 A.M. and noon. Having one during the night, when
the heart should be most at rest, means
that something unusual happened. Somers and his colleagues
have been working for a decade to show that sleep apnea is
to blame.

1. If you take an aspirin or a baby aspirin once a day,
take it at night.
The reason: Aspirin has a 24-hour "half-life";
therefore, if most heart attacks happen in the
wee hours of the morning, the
Aspirin would be strongest in your system.

2. FYI,

Aspirin lasts a really long time in your medicine chest
for years, (when it gets old, it smells like vinegar).

Please read on.

Something that we can do to help ourselves - nice to know.
Bayer is making crystal aspirin to dissolve instantly on the tongue.
They work much faster than the tablets.

Why keep Aspirin by your bedside? It's about Heart Attacks -

There are other symptoms of a heart attack, besides the
pain on the left arm. One must also be aware of an intense
pain on the chin, as well as nausea and lots of sweating;
however, these symptoms may also occur less frequently.

Note: There may be NO pain in the chest during a heart attack.

The majority of people (about 60%) who had
a heart attack during their sleep did not wake up.
However, if it occurs, the chest pain may wake you up from
your deep sleep.

If that happens, immediately dissolve two aspirins in your mouth
and swallow them with a bit of water.

 

[718si]

I am on HRT and have elevated red blood/hematocrit /etc... and donate every 8 weeks like clockwork.

I take 81mg/day as a precaution. I've never had any heart issues, and would like to keep it that way. Definitely don't see the harm in one more pill.

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[718si]

Mayo Clinic Aspirin
Dr. Virend Somers, is a Cardiologist from the Mayo Clinic,
who is lead author of the report in the July 29, 2008 issue of
the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

Most heart attacks occur in the day, generally
between 6 A.M. and noon. Having one during the night, when
the heart should be most at rest, means
that something unusual happened. Somers and his colleagues
have been working for a decade to show that sleep apnea is
to blame.

1. If you take an aspirin or a baby aspirin once a day,
take it at night.
The reason: Aspirin has a 24-hour "half-life";
therefore, if most heart attacks happen in the
wee hours of the morning, the
Aspirin would be strongest in your system.

2. FYI,

Aspirin lasts a really long time in your medicine chest
for years, (when it gets old, it smells like vinegar).

Please read on.

Something that we can do to help ourselves - nice to know.
Bayer is making crystal aspirin to dissolve instantly on the tongue.
They work much faster than the tablets.

Why keep Aspirin by your bedside? It's about Heart Attacks -

There are other symptoms of a heart attack, besides the
pain on the left arm. One must also be aware of an intense
pain on the chin, as well as nausea and lots of sweating;
however, these symptoms may also occur less frequently.

Note: There may be NO pain in the chest during a heart attack.

The majority of people (about 60%) who had
a heart attack during their sleep did not wake up.
However, if it occurs, the chest pain may wake you up from
your deep sleep.

If that happens, immediately dissolve two aspirins in your mouth
and swallow them with a bit of water.

Thanks for sharing.... Great info!

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[alpha6164]

Some of you guys have a pretty good memory. You are right that one of my very first posts on this site was advocating taking aspirin daily. It is pretty much the cheapest thing you can do to add some years to your life. There has been more research on aspirin than almost any other compound on the planet. In some studies it has been shown that a simple 81mg daily taken can reduce the chance of death from a myocardial infarction by as much as 50%. That is huge. There are also a lot of other medical research that it reduces colon polyps, colon cancer and even other malignancies. The results are pretty endless for something that costs pennies.

It does not matter what time you take the aspirin, just take it once a day. Even though the drug itself has a half life of 24 hours, it is what we call an "irreversible COX inhibitor." Which means once it deactivates the COX it is permanent until your body produces more of the COX enzymes. This is different than any other anti-inflammatory out there including, ibuprofen, naproxes, diclofenac etc which are reversible. This is why we ask patients to stop taking aspirin 7 days prior to surgery and not 24 hours. It will thin the blood for quite a few days despite stopping.

In the world of AAS where increase in androgens cause increase in viscosity of the blood along with increase in hematocrit taking a baby aspirin daily is a very safe bet and one that i urge all my patients to take daily

 

[3clipseGT]

Great info here. Ill have to get on this asap.

 

[chemical engineer]

I believe it is recommended that the average male take it at age 45. No average males here. I have read that it is some what more beneficial to take it at night because everyone has a special clotting enzyme that kicks in at night.

 

[xman78]

Some of you guys have a pretty good memory. You are right that one of my very first posts on this site was advocating taking aspirin daily. It is pretty much the cheapest thing you can do to add some years to your life. There has been more research on aspirin than almost any other compound on the planet. In some studies it has been shown that a simple 81mg daily taken can reduce the chance of death from a myocardial infarction by as much as 50%. That is huge. There are also a lot of other medical research that it reduces colon polyps, colon cancer and even other malignancies. The results are pretty endless for something that costs pennies.

It does not matter what time you take the aspirin, just take it once a day. Even though the drug itself has a half life of 24 hours, it is what we call an "irreversible COX inhibitor." Which means once it deactivates the COX it is permanent until your body produces more of the COX enzymes. This is different than any other anti-inflammatory out there including, ibuprofen, naproxes, diclofenac etc which are reversible. This is why we ask patients to stop taking aspirin 7 days prior to surgery and not 24 hours. It will thin the blood for quite a few days despite stopping.

In the world of AAS where increase in androgens cause increase in viscosity of the blood along with increase in hematocrit taking a baby aspirin daily is a very safe bet and one that i urge all my patients to take daily

Hi doc, also gingko biloba and 3 gr of l-arginine thin the blood for me. What you think?

 

[spartan]

I take aspirin ED at 85mg per day just to help avoid the potential for a heart attach, stroke, ect. The best time of the day to take it is at night right before bed, because most of the heart attacks happen in the morning from 6AM till about noon just the stats. So if you take yours before bed it will be at its peak level in your system during the hours when most heart attacks, and strokes happen. I have not read anything about the rebound effect so I will be interested in seeing the feedback on that.

 

[deanabol]

Am I correct in thinking it will only prevent clotting and not lower hct ?

Unfortunately aspirin triggers my insomnia and can't take it

I'm prone to high hct/ iron

I have been taking r-ALA for a few months as I've read it can lower hct

I did start eating grapefruit but im on so many medications I was worried about the toxicity of them with grapefruit

 

[alpha6164]

Hi doc, also gingko biloba and 3 gr of l-arginine thin the blood for me. What you think?

Ginko definitely has been studied for its use in poor circulation cause it increases flow in capillaries. I know for sure that its mechanism is different than aspirin and may not necessarily "thin" blood but improve in circulation. It has definitely also been studies in memory enhancement and dementia but that is as far as i know. L-arginine is not a blood thinner but more of a vasodilator which causes increase in blood flow by mechanism of nitric oxide release. There are many other compounds such as omega 3s that also improve blood circulation that i also recommend patients.

 

[718si]

Am I correct in thinking it will only prevent clotting and not lower hct ?

Unfortunately aspirin triggers my insomnia and can't take it

I'm prone to high hct/ iron

I have been taking r-ALA for a few months as I've read it can lower hct

I did start eating grapefruit but im on so many medications I was worried about the toxicity of them with grapefruit

IMHO, donating blood is the best thing for "thick" blood, as 1) you're not treating an issue with another drug, and 2) you're helping people in need.

It's good for me, and I get to help others at the same time.

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[deanabol]

IMHO, donating blood is the best thing for "thick" blood, as 1) you're not treating an issue with another drug, and 2) you're helping people in need.

It's good for me, and I get to help others at the same time.

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Well unfortunately I was honest about using steroids so I am now struck off for life , this is in the uk

 

[alpha6164]

Well unfortunately I was honest about using steroids so I am now struck off for life , this is in the uk

If you cant take aspirin then definitely take 200-400mg of ginko daily along with 3gr of high quality omega 3. This will definitely help things.

 

[deanabol]

If you cant take aspirin then definitely take 200-400mg of ginko daily along with 3gr of high quality omega 3. This will definitely help things.

Thanks for that . I knew nothing about ginko biloba for this