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This post is from Dante Trudel.
<<<Man I hate talking about this....but now I feel I must.
Ive seen alot of bloodwork in my time....I kind of know the deal on what the bloodwork says and what someone is using and if they are telling me the truth. {In fact i just had two situations where trainers asked me to look over their trainees bloodwork and I flat out told them "they are lying to you, no way this would look like this and that would look like that" They arent telling you the truth" ..... I looked over all of Matts bloodwork for the last 4 years. It corresponded with exactly what he was taking. He was pretty much taking singular compounds but mainly test and gh. He tried primo, he tried a couple low dose orals, he tried very very low dose tren....at different times...but basically lower dose test and gh. Every time he tried something he would test it out with bloodwork and nix it if bloodwork came back at all negative....He went up and down with the test dosage, from 170 to 300 to 400 and back down and i think he tried 500mg once if i remember right for "a not very long time".....thats what he was doing. He got echo's and visited a cardiologist every 6 months. Things on that front were fine. His symptoms scream of a pulmonary embolism. A spot on lungs on a scan about a month ago, labored breathing for 3-4 weeks, feeling like crap, tired, some pain in chest cavity. Ive talked to Rachel about this and told her this is what I (at this time) feel happened. There is a little bit more to this in the equation but im going to reserve it to myself (and a couple close friends I have on this board). There will not be an autopsy. And I know everyone is curious but ask the question of yourself if the person you loved dearly died....its hard to let them go and you are distraught....do you really want them cut up and dissected at that point? They are gone. Its a tough situation....
We talked in length that he will be surprised greatly about the size he can hold on lower dose test and gh and he was shocked...and he especially thanked me for driving that into his head.....because it made him put so much more effort into training and eating correctly (whereas he said back in the day he felt he wasnt training correctly to gain muscle mass).....he started training progressively. Pulmonary Embolism is what I believe happened (and now I am seeing various doctors and med students concurring with me on that front) ....until i see something otherwise. >>>
Without exception Matt Porter had the most developed musculature I have ever seen with such low doses. I have heard on pod casts other IFBB pros calling him out on this many times. I have seen it in posts many times.
BUT after reading this post. I believe this to be true! What better reference could he have had? My complete perspective on gear use has changed and I truly believe we should ALLLLL take a much harder look into this and pursue future BBing in this MUCH safer manor. I have been completely off all gear for months and think NOW is a great time to put this new "low dose" gear use into action.
This post isn't to discus IF the doses were the truth, SO SAVE THAT FOR ANYWHERE ELSE BUT HERE. I'm sure there are many of us that stand fast after reading BIGA's, The Truth post. You literally couldn't find two more polarized posts. I have equal respect and admiration for both of these folks and didn't question a thing in BIGA's post until seeing Matt and reading Dante's post. Even after reading Dante's posts I didn't question if it were the truth. It has just become evident that there's more ways than one to get there. So I'm in!
I would appreciate everyone that has low dosed with or without success posting up their experiences doing it.
Lets assume :
Diet, macro, micros and calories
Training
Sleep and rest (are all on point)
Thanks guys, CG
<<<Man I hate talking about this....but now I feel I must.
Ive seen alot of bloodwork in my time....I kind of know the deal on what the bloodwork says and what someone is using and if they are telling me the truth. {In fact i just had two situations where trainers asked me to look over their trainees bloodwork and I flat out told them "they are lying to you, no way this would look like this and that would look like that" They arent telling you the truth" ..... I looked over all of Matts bloodwork for the last 4 years. It corresponded with exactly what he was taking. He was pretty much taking singular compounds but mainly test and gh. He tried primo, he tried a couple low dose orals, he tried very very low dose tren....at different times...but basically lower dose test and gh. Every time he tried something he would test it out with bloodwork and nix it if bloodwork came back at all negative....He went up and down with the test dosage, from 170 to 300 to 400 and back down and i think he tried 500mg once if i remember right for "a not very long time".....thats what he was doing. He got echo's and visited a cardiologist every 6 months. Things on that front were fine. His symptoms scream of a pulmonary embolism. A spot on lungs on a scan about a month ago, labored breathing for 3-4 weeks, feeling like crap, tired, some pain in chest cavity. Ive talked to Rachel about this and told her this is what I (at this time) feel happened. There is a little bit more to this in the equation but im going to reserve it to myself (and a couple close friends I have on this board). There will not be an autopsy. And I know everyone is curious but ask the question of yourself if the person you loved dearly died....its hard to let them go and you are distraught....do you really want them cut up and dissected at that point? They are gone. Its a tough situation....
We talked in length that he will be surprised greatly about the size he can hold on lower dose test and gh and he was shocked...and he especially thanked me for driving that into his head.....because it made him put so much more effort into training and eating correctly (whereas he said back in the day he felt he wasnt training correctly to gain muscle mass).....he started training progressively. Pulmonary Embolism is what I believe happened (and now I am seeing various doctors and med students concurring with me on that front) ....until i see something otherwise. >>>
Without exception Matt Porter had the most developed musculature I have ever seen with such low doses. I have heard on pod casts other IFBB pros calling him out on this many times. I have seen it in posts many times.
BUT after reading this post. I believe this to be true! What better reference could he have had? My complete perspective on gear use has changed and I truly believe we should ALLLLL take a much harder look into this and pursue future BBing in this MUCH safer manor. I have been completely off all gear for months and think NOW is a great time to put this new "low dose" gear use into action.
This post isn't to discus IF the doses were the truth, SO SAVE THAT FOR ANYWHERE ELSE BUT HERE. I'm sure there are many of us that stand fast after reading BIGA's, The Truth post. You literally couldn't find two more polarized posts. I have equal respect and admiration for both of these folks and didn't question a thing in BIGA's post until seeing Matt and reading Dante's post. Even after reading Dante's posts I didn't question if it were the truth. It has just become evident that there's more ways than one to get there. So I'm in!
I would appreciate everyone that has low dosed with or without success posting up their experiences doing it.
Lets assume :
Diet, macro, micros and calories
Training
Sleep and rest (are all on point)
Thanks guys, CG