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Perhaps a guru like hany would pay a jay cutler or Phil Heath to be mentioned as their coach versus the other way around...
I do know layne Norton says doing dead on leg day. But not to do deads and squats, one or the other.
his programming has
squats 3x a week
deads 2x
bench 3x
squats and deads on same day only once.
Does anyone have a quick like to any of Mike's sample workouts (bodypart split, days per week, rep range etc). I did a quick google search and nothing jumped out at me as being a basic blue print.
I see many of you like PPL, but are you hitting each muscle more than 1x per week? I hope not just training each body part 1x per week. Sure this could work over time as anything can, but I think its very sub optimal. All the reading I have done lately says the science definitely says that it is more optimal to train a muscle 2-3x per week.
LOL , I have had one ebook for sale , since 2015 . Just one ... I took any of mine off in 2014 when I realised what others were doing and going ebook crazy. Rir is something I would NEVER sell, advise, or pass opinion on, as I have no idea it’s capabilities. Your post is so strange, it’s like you have legit made up a scenario in your head that doesn’t exist, i have trained the same way since forever. Anyways back to the topic.
So I defo can’t get any stronger to any real extent , 1.25s here and there just aren’t going to illicit any real change now, but mentally I’m defo not done yet trying to grow more. So with an rir approach , let’s use 4 sets as an example , I would use the same weight I currently lift for that given rep range but my goal is to say get as many reps as I can across 4 sets , if you absolutely bury yourself in set 1 , you can’t even really work the same rep range well again set 2 - this is where I started doing load and back off sets a long while ago.
On smaller moves it would be 3 sets as would load, then go heavier then back off. But let’s stick on the same weight across all 4 sets , if set 1 was 4 or 3 rir , set 2 was 3/2 rir , set 3 2/1 rir set 4 1/0 rir, you could probably nail the same reps each set , so let’s say 100 x 10/10/10/10 , 40 x 100 - total work is 40,000. You can’t accumulate that work if go 0 rir , it would be : 14/11/7/5 something like that so 37 , BUT with a shit load more fatigue which makes that approach unsustainable. So I will still do heavy work, still do work at 0/1rir , but just see how much work I can accumulate and see if that can grow more. Maybe it can , maybe I need those effective 0 rir reps always and there is something about them which has brought about the muscle.
I see many of you like PPL, but are you hitting each muscle more than 1x per week? I hope not just training each body part 1x per week. Sure this could work over time as anything can, but I think its very sub optimal. All the reading I have done lately says the science definitely says that it is more optimal to train a muscle 2-3x per week.
It works in a rotation.
So like:
Push
Pull
Off
Legs
Off
Repeat
So you're hitting everything twice every 5-6 days. At least thats how i run it. You can program it to hit your weakpoints too. Kinda like how John Jewett does. If you dont follow him and his training you definitely should.
Perhaps a guru like hany would pay a jay cutler or Phil Heath to be mentioned as their coach versus the other way around...
He means 2 ALL OUT INTENSE sets. Not just..2 regular old sets.
Some people just don't like the uncomfortable feeling of pushing everything to the absolute max and know that this lift is treated like life or death. For those people, 3-4 sets of 85% probably work better and are suited for them.
As you guys know, Dr Scott is my go to. I have said many times that Scott is the one, when it comes to merging the science with the practicality , and we spoke a bit in brief last night ( Scott messaging me to make sure I don’t fuck up
And go full 3 rir for life haha) , and he liked the idea of potentially using a 4-3-2-1 or 3-2-1-0 approach to accumulate volume.
It’s been a while since we did a podcast so that would be fun to do, to discuss some stuff and get Scott’s insight into what maybe someone can do when they have reached terminal strength.
I totally agree that many guys will reach a level on any programme , but I don’t think I’m one of them, I have had to use a fair whack of gear, insulin, food, train like a lunatic , so I’m always looking for ways to optimise things , because I feel I have to. If I stopped training I would go from like 280
To 200 pounds basically overnight lol. So this type of discussion is fascinating . The people that think this type of discussion is re inventing the wheel, I pity your narrow mindedness
Isn't it supposed that most of us who go to the gym are looking for failure in the last series of some exercise? if we count the exercises of a typical routine, one muscle per day, suppose with 5 exercises, there we already have at least 5 sets to failure.
Anyway I understand what you say, I tried to follow the same routine of JP 2015 (I still don't lift weights like most people here) but I ended up getting tired at week 9, but in those 9 weeks I progressed 5-15 kg by exercise in my 6-20m
Isn't it supposed that most of us who go to the gym are looking for failure in the last series of some exercise? if we count the exercises of a typical routine, one muscle per day, suppose with 5 exercises, there we already have at least 5 sets to failure.
Yes, 1-2 WORKING SETS per exercise. We are saying the same thing. Back days could be 4 exercises and 8 total hard working sets.
And about your JP training, you should've taken a reload. JP was just saying he and Corinne view training as, "fucked" and "proper fucked." hahah
When they are "proper fucked," you need a rest (probably due to CNS fatigue) and a light week. So many ways to handle that.
Considering I know too much about both guys, and know one on a personal level...
Mike would be best for beginner to intermediate level physiques.
Jordan is better for intermediate to advanced.
I’m not willing to say anything more on here, but people above have made some very truthful comments. Take that for what it’s worth.
Of course, what I do not understand is because before you said that one does not recover from these training (jp training) when I have seen people doing more than 10 series to the failure per session and progress (perhaps not in the most optimal way for sure!) you say by frequency maybe? (in jp training you play twice in the week while in the classical divisions you don't train the same until next week). It's not a criticism I had not understood the simple point, thanks for the info about deload