18 y/o start prohormones

[Mr_M]

I'm a 18 y/o. Training for 2,5 years.

and off course i can gain more muscle naturally but i have bigger plans than a natural physique. I want to start an Epistane cycle so my own testosterone production won't totally shut down.

I'm just not sure about it because i read so many things about it being bad for you when you're just 18. What do you guys think about this?

I'm not just a noob that just started working out. It's pretty much my life.

Will i get serious problems later (my own testosterone production) if i already start with prohormones? Is the chance really too big?

 

[emeric delczeg]

I'm a 18 y/o. Training for 2,5 years.

and off course i can gain more muscle naturally but i have bigger plans than a natural physique. I want to start an Epistane cycle so my own testosterone production won't totally shut down.

I'm just not sure about it because i read so many things about it being bad for you when you're just 18. What do you guys think about this?

I'm not just a noob that just started working out. It's pretty much my life.

Will i get serious problems later (my own testosterone production) if i already start with prohormones? Is the chance really too big?

Sould be part of you life and not your life.

 

[blackpossom]

I think you should wait at least for a couple more years to start messing with your hormones. At 18 you are a testosterone producing machine. No need to mess with your natural production. I took pro hormones when I was 19, a very low dose, and regretted it then and still regret it. The sides weren't worth it. I understand that Epi is generally a mild pro hormone. But I would still wait if I were you. Just my opinion

 

[FGenetics]

I personally would stay away from it.
Prohormones do not have a good side effect to gains ratio.
Protein, Creatine, and caffeine that's about it for supplements.
Do not buy in to all that crap out there.

If you really wanted to put something hormonal in your system, use the real thing. But do not do it at your age, and not until you have seriously read for a LONG time. I was on the boards 4 YEARS before I touched anything. You'll know you are ready when you don't have to ask any more questions, and know the answer to just about everyone else's. Leave no doubt.

Your goal right now should be consistency, in diet and training, and finding out what training style works best for you.
Don't neglect your core, stretching, and fasia work (foam roller). It will prevent an injury later on.

 

[1badboy]

The side effects can be expensive

Regardless of your age, just be aware that you may be getting into something that will cost you a lot of money. I tried prohormones/prosteriods in my 30s, and thank god I had cash as it took me lots of experimenting with various creams, antibiotics, B5, and finally accutane to cure the acne- WAY more expensive than the PH.

And I lost libido half-way through cycle- and had to buy Viagra/Cialis for awhile- way more expensive than the PH/PS. Not to mention PCT research chems that I experimented with.

At 18, I shudder to think what I would have done with acne so bad I did not want to take off my shirt and no desire to bang hot girls.

I suggest you not do it- save the $$$ and buy good food because the $100-$200 you spend on a few bottles of PH could be just the start of a boat-load of cash outflow. Maybe you are the lucky one with few to no sides, but don't bet on it.

 

[EasyEJL]

not sure what your height is, but using epistane would force your growth plates shut earlier than naturally, so the no more height growth. Overall its not worth it to not just wait another couple years given the other risks

 

[FordTurboDiesel]

Many are still steroids man...Play it safe and stay away. It's easy to get the, "itch", but better safe than sorry.

 

[SisyphusRocks]

not sure what your height is, but using epistane would force your growth plates shut earlier than naturally, so the no more height growth. Overall its not worth it to not just wait another couple years given the other risks

definately listen to this
I grew almost a full inch between age 19 & 20.
if you can't get close to your natural max within a couple
years of hard training and serious eating then body building
isn't for you anyway so why risk your health now?

 

[Mr_M]

thanks for the replies guys!

I'm 6'0 so i guess i don't care about getting taller. And the side effects are something to worry about especially because i already have some minor acne and i'm not waiting to get more. I sujested epistane because it's mild and there aren't serious side effects.

I know it's tricky on my age but i've been reading about aas pretty long already but i know i'm not ready for aas because of the total shut down/sides therefor my suggestion of a PH.

Epistane is mild so i don't think i'll get serious problems. The only thing i'm scared of is getting libido/(problems with my own testosterone production in the future).

Anyways, i'm still not sure what to do. So please tell more experiences you guys had!

 

[EasyEJL]

There is nothing anywhere that suggests prohormones are any safer, or less shutdown/sides than AAS. Epistane is mild, but that doesn't change the fact that all those risks are still there, including gyno, sterility, acne, etc. Also, epistane really is a designer steroid, not a prohormone. Absolute best i've seen someone who actually knows what they are doing get out of a 6 week epistane cycle is 8 lbs, which although not too bad isn't that much more than they could likely have done without the epistane. Personally I didn't notice much of anything from epistane. Part of the problem like with most of those products is quality as well, its possible i had a crappy batch.


Honestly if you are going to do something oral at your age, anavar is a better choice other than its cost. So save up the money, and run it. Also (interesting trivia piece) anavar doesn't close growth plates, its the only steroid that doesn't, and nobody is sure why.

For the most part, AAS is safer than whats called prohormones, particularly if you get true pharmaceutical products.

 

[Mr_M]

There is nothing anywhere that suggests prohormones are any safer, or less shutdown/sides than AAS. Epistane is mild, but that doesn't change the fact that all those risks are still there, including gyno, sterility, acne, etc. Also, epistane really is a designer steroid, not a prohormone. Absolute best i've seen someone who actually knows what they are doing get out of a 6 week epistane cycle is 8 lbs, which although not too bad isn't that much more than they could likely have done without the epistane. Personally I didn't notice much of anything from epistane. Part of the problem like with most of those products is quality as well, its possible i had a crappy batch.


Honestly if you are going to do something oral at your age, anavar is a better choice other than its cost. So save up the money, and run it. Also (interesting trivia piece) anavar doesn't close growth plates, its the only steroid that doesn't, and nobody is sure why.

For the most part, AAS is safer than whats called prohormones, particularly if you get true pharmaceutical products.

Thanks for the reply!

I know for a fact that you dont have total shutdown with epistane. If you dont exceed 40 mg of epistane you won't even get atrophy (usually). So its save to say you dont have total shutdown.

I wanted to do an anavar cycle but then i discovered PH. Anavar is one of the mildest aas so that's why it was my first choice.

And you're right, it's not worth the 8 lbs!

anyways thanks for your advice. I'm not sure anymore about the epistane...

 

[EasyEJL]

You can and likely will get total shutdown from epistane in anything over a 4 week cycle, at any dose good enough to provide results. Thats the fact. whereever you got your other fact is full of BS. Testicular size is not reliable as far as shutdown. Mine were at full size with a documented blood test showing total testosterone level of 24.

 

[Creation]

"I know for a fact that you dont have total shutdown with epistane. If you dont exceed 40 mg of epistane you won't even get atrophy (usually). So its save to say you dont have total shutdown."


That is almost impossible to know everyone is different some people get gyno from virtually nothing and others will never get it.

 

[SisyphusRocks]

I gained about 10lbs in a week the first time I took creatine.
It was definitely water weight but it increased mass and helped
me break past a strength plateau which in turn helped me
put on more muscle. Try this for the 4 weeks you would run
the PH and eat big and get good rest and you'll get those 8-10 lbs
with no sides.

 

[natabolic]

The first time i tried prohormones, i was 16 years old. I had been training seriously about 2 years. M1T. 40 mg/d. I made some size gains, over a 4 week cycle. gained about 15 lbs. even with pct, i lost about 10 of them. 5 lbs over 4 weeks is great, but i did get some sides. I broke out more often than i did before, i didnt get TERRIBLE acne, but i did break out more severely than normal. I felt like shit after the cycle. for the next 3 weeks or so. In my opinion, prohormones are a waste of time. They will shut you down, just like real steroids. They will give you sides, just like real steroids. Why not just use the real thing?

If youre deadset on using something, dont mess with prohormones. Even though youre only 18, i see youve been training seriously for 2.5 years. If youve been dieting seriously for just as long, sleeping/resting seriously for just as long, and not out partying/drinking for just as long.. and if you are ABSOLUTELY dead set on using something, do a low dose test cycle. Dont get me wrong, i dont recommend you go out and use steroids, your body will still grow naturally at your age, and of course, i do not endorse steroid use.

I first used steroids at 17, when i was almost 18. I actually got less severe sides from the real thing than i did from PH's.

OF COURSE IF YOU WERE TO USE ANABOLICS, YOU NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH, ASK QUESTIONS, AND STAY DEDICATED TO EATING, TRAINING, AND SLEEPING. READ UP ON BEGINNER CYCLES, POST CYCLE THERAPY, AND KEEPING GAINS. Just dont use prohormones.. waste of time.

Again, i do not endorse/encourage steroid use.
This is just my opinion.

 

[Adrenolin]

I first started ph/ds when I was 19...got the green light from the endocrinologist, and have also done blood work for all my cycles. I highly suggest you do the same. Just be sure you do your research before hand and make sure you have everything you may possibly need BEFORE STARTING ANY CYCLE.

 

[EasyEJL]

The first time i tried prohormones, i was 16 years old. I had been training seriously about 2 years. M1T. 40 mg/d.

M1T isn't a prohormone, its a steroid. Methyl 1-Testosterone, a directly orally available 1-Testosterone compound.

 

[muscledoc1]

get an EKG AND A Holter.

 

[Mr_M]

thanks for the replies once again!

I've used creatine and other supps, and you're right they can absolutely help you to break through a plateau.

And about starting with the real thing: I'm terified to start a test cycle or something similar because of what i have seen what happened to others. People getting so much acne that they get depressed. I'm not ready for such a big risc (yet). But i've done a lot of research about it and i know everything i need to know about it. So that's absolutely something for the future.

It seems that the most of you guys who have tried ph/ds aren't that content about the results/sides ratio. It's great that people with the experience can help others on here. So i decided to stay natural for at least a year.

Thank you for the great and helpful replies!

 

[natabolic]

M1T isn't a prohormone, its a steroid. Methyl 1-Testosterone, a directly orally available 1-Testosterone compound.

back in the day, it was marketed as a PH.