2nd cycle. help, comments appreciated

[Ragin' Cajun]

30 mg/ed Dbol weeks 1-4
500-750 mg/w Test C weeks 1-12
50 mg/ed Winstrol weeks 9-12

Nolva for pct

Any help or comments will be greatly appreciated.

 

[mrshoulders]

Looks good and standard to me

 

[Package]

looks perfect, don't forget to eat

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

Should i run nolva during my cycle? if so, do I need to do it for the whole cycle or just while I'm doin the dbol?

 

[Capone]

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Myself personally....I would get an AI, like aromasin and run it all the way through. Keep the dose low if you're not gyno prone. I think the concensus is 12.5 ED. Why risk the estro build up?

In addition to that...and I know it may not be necessary and most guys don't, but I also run 50mg EOD of clomid thru-out to stop my balls from completely shutting AND run the 3 week PCT of Clomid ED course.

Why are you only running Nolva for PCT? The nolva won't bring ur balls back on line. You should def have some clomid in ur PCT.

T.

 

[Muay Thai]

lot of gear for a 2nd cycle!

 

[Capone]

lot of gear for a 2nd cycle!

You think so? Granted, he did say if we was running 500 or 750, but that didn't strike me as a lot of gear. dbol/winny dose are fairly low. I think mine was about that.

What was ur's?

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

should i just run dbol for the first 4 weeks and use the test, save the winny for the following cycle? what you think t?

 

[ENraged]

should i just run dbol for the first 4 weeks and use the test, save the winny for the following cycle? what you think t?

What are your goals
your stats
years lifting

I would tend to agree with MT on this one but without knowing your stats I wont scream drop the Winny just yet.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

I'm looking to bulk another 25-35 lbs. but this cycle i'm tweaking my diet so that I gain leaner mass.
I'm 6'3
255lbs
18% bf
I've been lifting for 11 years. Have gotten real serious in the last 1 1/2 years.
Right now i'm on 500mg a week test c in my 6th week

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

Also, would running a an otc AI like arimitest suffice or do I need the real deal?

 

[King-kong]

Is the winny oral or inj. If oral I'd save for next cycle. Slow and steady imo

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

it's oral. anymore agreements on waiting till the following cycle?

 

[Capone]

it's oral. anymore agreements on waiting till the following cycle?

I wouldn't wait till next. I'm a big fan of tailing winny at the end of test cycles....just my .02.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

what about the AI for the cycle. I heard arimitest is really good for an otc, but then others say to stay away fom them completely.

 

[Gunsmith]

I'd keep the test at 500mg/wk and use the winny , I think oral winstrol compliments any androgenic and ditch the d-bol all together , D-bol is great to get a cycle jump started but I think unless your looking for realy big gain strait out the gait its not needed.

On the anti estrogens , unless your seeing ALOT of bloat or gyno I'd leave it out , it will hinder your gains some.

 

[VitoBrata]

I'd keep the test at 500mg/wk and use the winny , I think oral winstrol compliments any androgenic and ditch the d-bol all together , D-bol is great to get a cycle jump started but I think unless your looking for realy big gain strait out the gait its not needed.

On the anti estrogens , unless your seeing ALOT of bloat or gyno I'd leave it out , it will hinder your gains some.

I used to feel the same way about AI's, now I think they are a must use on any cycle.

 

[Ragin' Cajun]

so is the otc arimitest ok or do i need arimidex?

 

[jimmyjones]

Neither, go with Aromasin

 

[King-kong]

Agree on the aromasin. Keep dosage low and increase if needed. I used to go without and wound up getting gyno surgery. It aint worth it.
I have not seen it hinder my gains at all and wonder if this theory has been proven. Overdosage of an estro blocker/reducer would certainly cause problems but allowing high levels to exist will not increase gains - only potentially cause problems - just my opinion..