ADHD Help!

[ironceltic12]

What do you do now? If you harness your ability to notice everything. You could make a great manager in the field you're in.

I'm in a technology based major

 

[LK3]

LMAO !

The dopamine hypothesis for ADHD’s neurological mechanism is the most probable and studied theory. It is based on a malfunctioning or decreased functioning of the dopamine system in particular regions of the brain. Dopamine activity is essential to the motor and cognitive functioning of the brain and the malfunctioning of even a single part of this system causes a wide range of neurological symptoms (Coccaro et al. 2007). The dopamine hypothesis of ADHD, which is still being studied, is specifically based on the malfunctioning of the D4, D2, and other particular dopamine receptors in the brain in addition to abnormally low or high levels of dopamine in the brain in general (Shaw 2007). As a result of malfunctioning dopamine receptors and abnormal levels of dopamine, the symptoms of ADHD are often exhibited as recent studies have shown.

These are just a few of a multitude of studies that provide evidence for the dopamine hypothesis:

Coccaro et al. conducted a study, in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Chicago in 2007, in which they determined a relationship between dopamine activity and ADHD symptoms by testing chemical levels of plasma homovanillic acid in both healthy and ADHD symptomatic patients. An inverse correlation between the level of dopamine activity and exhibiting the symptoms of ADHD was determined, meaning the less dopamine activity in the brain, the more ADHD symptoms that were shown.

look, while research is great and all, it is also just not fucking right or accurate in how these things happen in the real world, which is why all these brain drugs and mood disorder drugs and whatever else work marginal at best.

everything in life is related to dopamine!!!!!

our normal existence these days I think is partly to blame, we do not get a full spectrum of "natural" dopamine activities, fighting for you life etc....

we are bombarded with not so normal ones, fast food, internet porn, cell phones...

dopamine is how we survived a species, it makes us fuck and makes us feed.

hammering our brains with chemicals at all times dose not correct the "imbalance" it only fucks it up in a whole new way.

with everything I have seen I am convinced these systems are far more sensitive then we give them credit for, really they need to be, just think it is life situations that are the triggers for these chems. triggering these chems with drugs is like putting your finger right on the button and pushing it all day.

its gona fuck you up down the line.

which is the issue with treating add or adhd with freakin dopamine meds. you are taking a weak mind and conditioning itto be more week and more drug addict like then it already is!!!!

add is like a precursor to drug addict brain.

drug addict is all about whats gona get them that "high" that high is dopamine!!! they don't pay attention of focus or do the normal shit that needs to be doen as they are obsessing over the chem response.

everything is more interesting when on drugs.

coke is a great dopamine drug, do some coke, sit and stare at the wall, you will have a great time, add a cigarette and a beer and your in freakin heaven... until you need to hit the dopamine again!

add, is not paying attention to the little boring shit, why, cus it isn't hammering away at dopamine!!!!

so sure we could look at it as a dopamine "defficency" but that isn't exactly what it is....

playing with dopamine has risks, no way around it.

we should if concerned about health limit our use of dopamine drugs, cycle them and monitor our other dopamine producing activities.

this is why NOT to use shit like adderal and whatever other kind of speed you want, they are dopamine drugs! it isn't fixing the problem, its a bandaid that willprobably make the problem worse in the long run.

if we really want to fix the problem dopamine drugs are probably not the "correct" way.

supplements help with less negative effects.

there is some info on theanine, particularly in kids.

might seem opposite as we are hitting serotonin. but really this could help in several ways, calming helps people focus better, increasing serotonin MAY help the brain to increase dopamine on its own or function better with it.

other serotonin supps help and make sense, especially for health.

as much as I do notlike to mention mmj, in this case it could be valid. mmj dose not play on neurotransmitters and is working via endocannabinoid system. the key here is we are not fucking with an already fucked system. to do it right please consult a real professional and don't just smoke weed.

my ex wives youngest son was diagnosed add when very young and the school and docs wanted him on meds. I told her all he needed was a slap to the back of the head...

she tried one time to give him meds and couldn't believe what it did, so she never gave them to him again. he still had some issues but really it just comes down to discipline and being board.

not everything is interesting to everyone!

its just how life is, you need to train your brain just like you train your body!

 

[LK3]

I'm in a technology based major

dude, you may not like them but the answers were basically given to you on A's board...

 

[ironceltic12]

dude, you may not like them but the answers were basically given to you on A's board...

I understand that. I am basically looking for any info I can get on helping it via a different route, I don't like playing with dopamine and want to take a different route.

 

[LK3]

I understand that. I am basically looking for any info I can get on helping it via a different route, I don't like playing with dopamine and want to take a different route.

serotonin supps and maybe a lil mmj...

all good side effects.

that's basically what we are doing when looking for drugs, choosing our side effects. everything is gona have something, but some may help and other may hurt.

did you really work the sup angle?

I know we talked about it a little but did you apply it? if so how much?

the serotonin sups are not gona have anywhere near the impact of something like Adderall, they are mild and you have to do the mental work. we can talk about the mmj if you like and how one would go about it in a REAL MEDICAL way if you like...

I can also send you a kg of coca leaves... lol! but I don't think coca tea is the answer either!lol

I think much better to work the other angles.

how do you do and feel while using prolactin inhibitors?

notice any difference?

 

[jcc80]

Mmj certainly makes everything interesting. Lk3, I do have a question. Just ordered some glut, and I'm curious if the mental clarity from glut helps to offset the fuzziness and short term memory impairment from mmj.

 

[ironceltic12]

serotonin supps and maybe a lil mmj...

all good side effects.

that's basically what we are doing when looking for drugs, choosing our side effects. everything is gona have something, but some may help and other may hurt.

did you really work the sup angle?

I know we talked about it a little but did you apply it? if so how much?

the serotonin sups are not gona have anywhere near the impact of something like Adderall, they are mild and you have to do the mental work. we can talk about the mmj if you like and how one would go about it in a REAL MEDICAL way if you like...

I can also send you a kg of coca leaves... lol! but I don't think coca tea is the answer either!lol

I think much better to work the other angles.

how do you do and feel while using prolactin inhibitors?

notice any difference?

I still use almost all the serotonin supps you had me using before. I'm interested in the mmj side of it but I don't think it feasible at this time. I use chocamine powder occasionally still and really enjoy it. I feel like the prolactin inhibitors help and I tend to cycle them on and off

 

[LK3]

Mmj certainly makes everything interesting. Lk3, I do have a question. Just ordered some glut, and I'm curious if the mental clarity from glut helps to offset the fuzziness and short term memory impairment from mmj.

I would say no, it may but more like individual thing.

to address that fuzziness you need to address the mmj.

to a large extent it is just mental, once you are more accustomed to it you can just snap out of it and make it go away. most of the initial effect and change in perception with mj is just a head trick, there is no such thing as physical intoxication.


there are two ways to approach this. I do it different and for reason.

for many they can get by with just that initial change of head, and that head change is all that is needed for many for the helpful part to come into play. to do that we use the minimum possible, if smoked that might be literally 1-2 hits, if going for this type of effect eating might actually be better but harder to gauge initially or some type of oral tincture.

the idea is not to get "high" just a small feel is all you need to get the effect, if you do itthis way you will stay sensitive and may even before more sensitive. this will allow you to get by with very little.

the other way is super high dose and it will take 4-6 weeks to adjust to. this is how I use. its quite a bit of work.

you have to go through a loading phase, where you smoke and smoke and smoke, then smoke some more, you will be kind of down, slow, foggy, retarded for a solid month. you need to overload the system.

after about a month the fog will start to clear and the psychoactive effect will change, no longer will you have that "high" you will need to dose high, like 5-10g ed, if eating more.

this is very different, at this dose I think we get a lot more of the interesting anti cancer stuff, we also get a whole new level of mind control or mental stuff going on.

most docs would have me on many ugly drugs for head stuff, with this and sups I am extremely functional and productive and feel great. helps me sleep, helps me eat helps me live stable.

you have to make that head change go away though.

the fogginess you feel probably comes from times where you consume more then what is needed.

a lot of people doubt me on this, or think it sounds a little crazy, the ones that have done it have been amazed at what happens.

we had a guy with lymes disease that had run a muck, guy was having all types of brain issues and mental probs, and was even institutionalized a few tiems for it. docs through everything drug imaginable at him.

we talked and he didn't like mmj or the idea of mega dosing...

until he broke down and tried it with a very strong extract.

took a little getting used to but he was shocked by the results, able to undo, unlearn bad mental process and start to learn newer more effective thinking.

used intelligently mmj is a tool, not a bandaid fix. you use it while working on making yourself better.

 

[Fulton]

ADHD isn't real, no one likes paying attention in class or studying, it's hard for everyone. Your definition of "hard" is just different.

(edit)Let me phrase it this way so no one freaks out: Everyone has some degree of ADHD, just like everyone has some degree of every physiological disorder.

I agree that discipline can help manage the symptoms of ADHD, but it is real to the extent that some have a significantly more difficult time than others managing. I was prescribed ADHDA meds about 5 years ago, couldn't tolerate them.

 

[john161]

LK3: How right you are, but the majority of us are GABA deficient too. But taking valium in not the answer (although its still a top seller.) Brain training is great, but when bombarded but all the negativity in life, it still creates stress. That's why we beat the shit out of the weight stacks.

Since you can never avoid stress, we MUST find ways to stop our physiology from responding adversely. So I mentioned precursors in my post which create a homeostasis, just like your suggestion of controlling prolactin with a dopamine agonist.

I'm not suggesting this guy to take amphetamines or Coke, which will cause permanent brain damage and addictions later.

Adaptogens are the way to go, IMO.

Brain games for dopamine include crossword puzzles and Sudoku, which also stimulate serotonin. Stay away from word searches and mazes.

Now you got me missing my partying days . . .lol

 

[LK3]

LK3: How right you are, but the majority of us are GABA deficient too. But taking valium in not the answer (although its still a top seller.) Brain training is great, but when bombarded but all the negativity in life, it still creates stress. That's why we beat the shit out of the weight stacks.

Since you can never avoid stress, we MUST find ways to stop our physiology from responding adversely. So I mentioned precursors in my post which create a homeostasis, just like your suggestion of controlling prolactin with a dopamine agonist.

I'm not suggesting this guy to take amphetamines or Coke, which will cause permanent brain damage and addictions later.

Adaptogens are the way to go, IMO.

Brain games for dopamine include crossword puzzles and Sudoku, which also stimulate serotonin. Stay away from word searches and mazes.

Now you got me missing my partying days . . .lol

idk if i would include benzos and health in the same sentence...
top selling drugs i think are what we want to avoid.

Adderall is an amphetamine, just not as fun as some of the others.

i asked about prolactin drugs as they are all strong D2 agonists.
clearly he gets results from dopamine, these would just be a little less habit forming of fuck with brain stuff less then say Adderall.

while we can not remove stress the goal would be to learn better how to deal with it, lifting weights is a great way.

i think rather then striving for homeostasis we should be working on impulse control.

much easier to work with that and chemistry, i think.

 

[Beaver24]

Weed in low dose helped me too. ADHD medication is easy to start abusing.

 

[john161]

LK3 is correct, lifestyle changes and a slap in the head! Otherwise you'll see cockroaches that look like Christina Aguilara. Dopamine is formulated with sex drugs and rock and roll, as well as cigarettes, masturbation, and gambling. Maybe Thomas Aquinas was right . . .impulse control.

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