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Am I the only one who never has to use an aromatase inhibitor?

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Two guys, who aren't Dr's telling everyone ai's are bad. Why are we still overlooking hepatic adenoma's? Studies linking them to estrogen. Guys on this forum board who have experienced them"

let me be more specific. i agree with AI use with bodybuilding doses of testosterone. its a necessary evil and i would imagine the men who experienced these adenoma's were on supra-physiological doses not replacement doses. HRT is a life long venture the addition of toxic compounds cannot be with serious consequences down the road. i think we have to maintain a different viewpoint and methodology between the two as they are vastly different bodybuilding pharmacology vs. hormone replacment. good stuff though i like the different trains of thought both for and against.
 

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No gh abuse to fuel them ? Just a thought ...

The average well developed gym rat these days is on more gh than someone finishing top 5 at the O in early 90s lol
And insulin use!
 

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Anybody with experience using Proviron and Nolvadex for E2 control? I have very little experience with Nolvadex and am willing to give it a shot at low doses this time. As I get older this hormone balance game is getting more difficult.
 

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Anybody with experience using Proviron and Nolvadex for E2 control? I have very little experience with Nolvadex and am willing to give it a shot at low doses this time. As I get older this hormone balance game is getting more difficult.
It willl work at prevent gyno nolvadex
Proviron will lower e2 slightly

but overall proviron is pretty weak over the other effective ais

I’d just use nolva letro
I think letro is the easiest to control

if health is a concern then the above will work but add in maybe aromasin or just adjust test dosage or pinning frequency
 

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I used to use them with every cycle, then thought I would try without and have not used since.
 

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I've never had to use an AI on cycle. I haven't had any nipple issues before. All of my cycles have mast in it, so that lowers the need for it.
 

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It willl work at prevent gyno nolvadex
Proviron will lower e2 slightly

but overall proviron is pretty weak over the other effective ais

I’d just use nolva letro
I think letro is the easiest to control

if health is a concern then the above will work but add in maybe aromasin or just adjust test dosage or pinning frequency
I'm not worried about gyno but the AI sides for my joints and libido are terrible.
 

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I'm not worried about gyno but the AI sides for my joints and libido are terrible.
I think a moderate letro dose you’d be fine honestly joints won’t be overly dried out
 

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I'm not worried about gyno but the AI sides for my joints and libido are terrible.
I did my first cycle without "real" AIs last fall. I did 16 weeks of test cyp 800 mg per week and 400 mg deca per week. Not a huge cycle by any means but this was also to test waters as I´ve always been using arimidex or aromasin before. The thing with all the AIs for me is that they are hard to titrate and make me miserable and tend to affect libido no matter the dosage, I think I´m sensitive because I know many guys use them without problems. On cruise dosages around 200 mg test cyp a week I have no need for AIs so I decided to go with 25 mg proviron ed and 10 mg nolva ed. Worked like a charm and related to the issues you mention I felt really good all the way. I also used 0,25 mg cabaser 2 times a week and 500 iu hcg 2 times a week. Makes me really consider if I ever want to use AIs again as there also seems to be a growing body of evidence that they are no good for anybody basically.
 

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I did my first cycle without "real" AIs last fall. I did 16 weeks of test cyp 800 mg per week and 400 mg deca per week. Not a huge cycle by any means but this was also to test waters as I´ve always been using arimidex or aromasin before. The thing with all the AIs for me is that they are hard to titrate and make me miserable and tend to affect libido no matter the dosage, I think I´m sensitive because I know many guys use them without problems. On cruise dosages around 200 mg test cyp a week I have no need for AIs so I decided to go with 25 mg proviron ed and 10 mg nolva ed. Worked like a charm and related to the issues you mention I felt really good all the way. I also used 0,25 mg cabaser 2 times a week and 500 iu hcg 2 times a week. Makes me really consider if I ever want to use AIs again as there also seems to be a growing body of evidence that they are no good for anybody basically.
I do 2.5mg aromasin (not a typo) 3x per week and it doesn’t have an effect on my joints but it controls e2. I’m sensitive, I cannot take more than 350mg test without issues. I have to take more AI to control estrogen then my levels start bouncing up and down. If I ignore it I get sensitive nips/start of gyno and then increased BP...NOT healthy...

I’m just going to stick with 140mg test per week and add primo 700mg week if I want to go harder with my training...I’ll never be big but screw the wet shit, it feels like it’s killing my body :/
 

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I think a moderate letro dose you’d be fine honestly joints won’t be overly dried out
I've very familiar with Letro, .625mg (1/4 tab) weekly crushes my E2. I react weird to all AIs.
 

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I've very familiar with Letro, .625mg (1/4 tab) weekly crushes my E2. I react weird to all AIs.
And that was on 600mg prescription Test.
 

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I've been up to 2 grams a week before and never 'needed' an AI. Meaning no signs of gyno. But that doesn't mean I didn't have elevated estrogen levels. For me its a delicate balance. If i get estrogen too low, I literally cannot achieve an orgasm. I typically last a long time anyway, but my now wife and my first night was a low estrogen night. 4 hours later she tapped out, convinced I wasn't into her since I didnt/couldnt finish. Nothing could have been further from the truth. Makes for awkward situations, guys can't convincingly fake an orgasm....
I’m calling bullshit on “4 hours later” 😂
 

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