amount of cals and cal ratio for bulking

[speed]

what is a good ration for fats, protien, carbs when bulking and the amounts of cals for each, i ve ben geting 1.5 g of pro , 180 g of fats, 1000 g of carbs and overall total of 6 to 7k cals, but wana know if theres a protocol for if you dont need any more carbs to a certian point for muscle gain and only add towards fat, ive thought the more food the more muscle, im going for total muscle gain but would i get the same gains with less carbs

 

[Capone]

6-7K cals is way to much for me! ....and 1000g of carbs?! WTF bro......you'd have to be a monster with a sickly very fast met.

I'm guess there's some guys that could do it. I couldn't. I would scale it back to 4500 or 5K tops. and keep the carbs under 500g.

I'll say again....this is just for me though as I gain easily, but it hard as shit to shred up.

 

[Tom]

re-think your strategy

why gain 30 lbs of fat only to diet down and find you've gained 5lbs of muscle? why not just gain the 5 lbs of muscle. find out how many cals to maintain your current weight and increase just enough to gain 5 lbs of lean mass. if you don't think 5 lbs of muscle is a significant gain, look at 5 lbs of ground beef at the meat counter and picture that distributed over your frame.

 

[shawnkarbabacz]

Ive seen a few posts like this recently. I honestly cant belive somebody is eating that much. Was that just a throw out number that you were thinking about using?

What are your stats?

 

[dalvare1]

protein and fats look fine, but i dont think 1000g of carbs makes any sense. im hoping that was a typo

 

[shawnkarbabacz]

protein and fats look fine, but i dont think 1000g of carbs makes any sense. im hoping that was a typo

not with how many calories he said hes takin in...

 

[speed]

thats my average for a workout day, i use to have more money for it all, but the rescion has hit me a little, i use to do about same amount of carbs but about 2g per pound of pro, but i think you wont see to much of a diff between that, my question is getting more into the glycogen storage that stores in the muscles from food which can be turned in to muscle and how much can really be stored through the day, its not alot to me , but i do have a huge pwo cession meal, i was 240 but like 200 now getiin back to it

 

[Steve123]

You really don't need to go so far over maintenance. 500 calories over is about all you need and some would say even that's too much.

John Berardi (S&C coach) seems to be one the 'eat all you can' kind of guys and even he has his athletes go no higher than 500 over.

I wouldn't even drastically change the macro's.

I speaking as someone who never used gear (until now) so my frame of reference might be a little different but times when I've tried to "BULK", I always added as much fat as muscle. I would just look to "grow" and I think a slight surplus is enough. Just my two cents.

 

[buselmo]

what is a good ration for fats, protien, carbs when bulking and the amounts of cals for each, i ve ben geting 1.5 g of pro , 180 g of fats, 1000 g of carbs and overall total of 6 to 7k cals, but wana know if theres a protocol for if you dont need any more carbs to a certian point for muscle gain and only add towards fat, ive thought the more food the more muscle, im going for total muscle gain but would i get the same gains with less carbs

weighing 200 lbs and taking in more than 30 cals/lb?
Trust me, after the first 15 cals/lb you eat, the rest won't matter, you might as well eat cake and ice cream.
we can't give you exact numbers or ratios, but the amount of food you eat will depend on

1- if you are natural or not
2- the way and speed you digest your food

eating that much, tell me, do you feel tired, bloated, uncomfortable, constipated, and have a stomach ache all day long? if so, stop it.
if you feel just fine and you aren't bloated and aren't getting fat, you aren't human.

as the guys said, eat 500 above maintenance.... shoot for gaining 5-10 lbs of muscle per year... and don't go by your weight... go by how you look in the mirror...

 

[speed]

weighing 200 lbs and taking in more than 30 cals/lb?
Trust me, after the first 15 cals/lb you eat, the rest won't matter, you might as well eat cake and ice cream.
we can't give you exact numbers or ratios, but the amount of food you eat will depend on

1- if you are natural or not
2- the way and speed you digest your food

eating that much, tell me, do you feel tired, bloated, uncomfortable, constipated, and have a stomach ache all day long? if so, stop it.
if you feel just fine and you aren't bloated and aren't getting fat, you aren't human.

as the guys said, eat 500 above maintenance.... shoot for gaining 5-10 lbs of muscle per year... and don't go by your weight... go by how you look in the mirror...

you need your bmr maintence to start but you burn 500 or so in a workout, so need to replace that or there will be hardly any growth, questions is how much cals for optimal muscle growth after say 3000 cals to maintain weight for a 200 lb guy, atleast another 1k? or your waisting time and money, ya this is on a cycle

 

[WildBB]

WOW

This is reduciolous - that level of calories will only make you fat! Its quality of food over quanity... It is ALL about the ratios.


I take in less that 3000cal a day and still growing fine! I prefer to stay on the lean side year around... I don't believe in bulk

I like how Phil H says it...Eat only when you are hungry...

6'3"
225lbs
8-9% BF
27 yrs

what is a good ration for fats, protien, carbs when bulking and the amounts of cals for each, i ve ben geting 1.5 g of pro , 180 g of fats, 1000 g of carbs and overall total of 6 to 7k cals, but wana know if theres a protocol for if you dont need any more carbs to a certian point for muscle gain and only add towards fat, ive thought the more food the more muscle, im going for total muscle gain but would i get the same gains with less carbs

 

[WildBB]

Smart Man! Could not have said it better than this! I agree completely!

weighing 200 lbs and taking in more than 30 cals/lb?
Trust me, after the first 15 cals/lb you eat, the rest won't matter, you might as well eat cake and ice cream.
we can't give you exact numbers or ratios, but the amount of food you eat will depend on

1- if you are natural or not
2- the way and speed you digest your food

eating that much, tell me, do you feel tired, bloated, uncomfortable, constipated, and have a stomach ache all day long? if so, stop it.
if you feel just fine and you aren't bloated and aren't getting fat, you aren't human.

as the guys said, eat 500 above maintenance.... shoot for gaining 5-10 lbs of muscle per year... and don't go by your weight... go by how you look in the mirror...

 

[The Transformer]

why gain 30 lbs of fat only to diet down and find you've gained 5lbs of muscle? why not just gain the 5 lbs of muscle. find out how many cals to maintain your current weight and increase just enough to gain 5 lbs of lean mass. if you don't think 5 lbs of muscle is a significant gain, look at 5 lbs of ground beef at the meat counter and picture that distributed over your frame.

i ran into this problem with my first bulk, trial and error experience.
(effin' bummer)

this should help you.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vinced1.htm


ronnie colemans and jay cutlers diet is not your diet.

 

[Gunsmith]

i ran into this problem with my first bulk, trial and error experience.
(effin' bummer)

this should help you.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/vinced1.htm


ronnie colemans and jay cutlers diet is not your diet.

anybody that says they put on 50 lbs of muscle in one year is full of shit , I doubt that if you took all the sups and drugs ronnie Colman takes and ate his diet that a person could add 50 pounds of muscle in a year !!!

I think that 500-800 cals (from good carbs and protine) over your maintaince requirement would completely suffice for making solid lean gains and you won't have to worry about radical dieting later

 

[Bigluice]

First u have to decide what weight ur goal is, then times ur goal weight times 22 for calories.

Example i want to weigh 235, so 235x22=5170calories per day

now divid how meals u eat a day from ur calorie intake
example 5170cals/6=861.7cals per meal

then times ur goal weight with 1.5-2 grams protein
example 235x2=470 protein per day

then divid 470 with 6meals
example 470/6= 78grams protein per meal

and always keep ur fats from food low around 15grams per meal. If u want more fat in diet, supplement with fish/flax seed oil. that should get you wear you want be.

 

[kkqq11]

The only protocol there is is listening to what your body tells you. Try new things and experiment with your nutrition. And its the more food the more mass. But if you want advice try 350g protien, 450-500g carbs, 100g fat of course if your at 1000 carbs right now just lower them 50-100g/day and you should find a place where you feel comfortable. If 1000g is where you like to be then you can always go back up.