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Anadrol vs. Dianabol (by Gavin Kane)

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The Great Oral Debate: Anadrol vs. Dianabol
By Gavin Kane

For many years, a great debate has raged over which oral is superior for mass gains, and two of them have stood the test of time; dianabol and anadrol. The debate has continued, arguing which of the two is superior, yet no conclusive evidence has proven one better than the other. People respond to each one differently, some swearing by dbol and some swearing by anadrol. Before we declare one the winner, I am going to go over a bit of history and chemical structure on both products.

anadrol (oxymetholone) was first made available in the 1960’s by Syntex. It is very effective at increasing red blood cell production and was promising for treating severe cases of anemia. With the advent of newer and more advanced drugs such as Erythropoietin, which have less androgenic side effects, anadrol was discontinued. New studies in AIDS/HIV patients revealed anadrol was particularly effective at reducing wasting symptoms so it was re-released in the late 1990’s.

Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which in theory means it should not convert to estrogen. Since it does not aromatize but still causes gynecomastia in some users, there are other pathways by which it converts. After looking at studies on AIDS patients, I found that it may convert by actively activating the estrogen receptor, so this is a product that would need an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex.

dianabol (methandrostenolone) was first made in 1956 by John Zieglar of Ciba fame. dianabol has been one of the most por oral steroids of all time, exploding in pority in the 1970’s with bodybuilders and football players and expanding into all avenues of athletics during the 1980’s. It somewhat waned during the 1990’s with the steroid control act, but was hot again in the early 2000’s with reproduction in mass quantities by Mexican labs and underground labs.
Methandrostenolone is a derivative of testosterone and hence will convert to estrogen. gynecomastia will be a concern for sure, in almost all users, whereas only less than 25% have problems with anadrol. Again water retention will be a problem, usually due to the estrogenic properties.

Both products will have similar androgenic side effects, which include; acne, water retention, oily skin, male pattern baldness, and increased body hair growth. Both drugs are c17 alpha alkylated, therefore Liver protection will be necessary, especially when combining the two.

So we come to the premise of this article, anadrol vs. dianabol. Why, the great debate over which product to take? They work on different pathways, have similar side effects you will have to combat, and both are Liver toxic. So why is there a debate over which is better and which one should you take? Well, as I stated earlier, different people have different responses to each product. Many people, including myself, find high doses of anadrol to be too much to handle in trade of the results you get. With this product, I have an extreme loss of appetite, massive water retention, and overall aches and pains and headaches.

On the other hand, when I take dianabol, I get a general sense of well-being, good but not great size gains, and the ability to keep eating. It sounds like I should keep taking dianabol and drop the anadrol, right? Wrong. I get massive male pattern baldness from dianabol, which I do not experience from anadrol. I have an increase in blood pressure levels at doses that are high enough to match my gains from anadrol, and I have to shorten my cycles because of the massive dosages I take to get good gains. So in all, I get some side effects from each that I would like to avoid, while still retaining the great benefits that I can only get from each product.

anadrol is well known for its ability to cause massive size and strength increases, and as we all know, a stronger muscle has to become a bigger muscle with enough calories to feed it. dianabol gives me large, quality muscle gains without as much water retention as anadrol. So what is the compromise? Do I take one during one cycle and then the other product during my next cycle?

The answer is no to both. There is no need to short change yourself gains in either department when you can have your Cake and eat it too. I am not alone in my assessments of both products. Most guys have similar issues of massive water retention, headaches and loss of appetite with anadrol, and MPB and fewer gains with dianabol comparatively. So, the best thing we can do is decrease our dosages of both products to cut down on side-effects and take them at the same time to increase the benefits.

My recommendation is to take both products in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. dianabol has been found to work much better for quality gains when taken in lower dosages but for longer periods of time. High doses have severe side effects in some users, a loss of all gains with cessation of the product because of the short cycle (4-6 weeks) and most of the aforementioned side-effects.

Your dosages will be cycle history dependent but when I was at the peak of my career, I was taking cycles of 200mg dianabol for 6 weeks per cycle, or 250-300mg anadrol per 6 week cycle. In later cycles when I decided to combine the two products together, I was able to drop my dianabol use to 50mg per day, and my anadrol use to 100mg per day and because of the synergistic effect of the two products combined, the effect was similar to high doses of each but with none of the sides. There is something very synergistic when taking these two products together with just a simple cycle of testosterone and deca-durabolin.

I would run my anadrol cycles for 8 weeks at that dose and my dianabol cycles for 10 weeks at that low dose with no Liver toxic effects as proven by my quarterly blood tests. I did not have to take Liver protectants, but I recommend them for most users. I no longer had to watch my blood pressure, my water retention was minimal compared to earlier cycles, and I was able to continue eating massive amounts of food because I did not experience appetite loss from a massive dose of anadrol.

I highly recommend on your next bulking cycle you try the following: A base cycle of test and deca, add in the anadrol and dianabol mix, and some Nolvadex. You will be able to control your water retention, Liver toxicity, and other side effects by controlling your dosages. Your doses will vary from mine, but just adjust accordingly and run them for longer periods of time. You will be amazed at the simplicity of this cycle and yet the synergy is un-describable. Your gains will be far better than you have ever had when taking each product alone, your side effects will be less than if you were to take either product in higher doses, thanks to the different biochemical pathways. Everyone already knows that test and anadrol, and deca and dbol are very synergistic. Now combine all four in a cycle and watch yourself just blow up.
 

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this has been posted a million times...but from peoples experiences...pretty good.....im curious to know if you can do a split with something like drol/var with lower reasonable doses
 

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I was looking through the articles forum and didn't see it, which is why I posted it. I haven't tried this method (yet) so I can't really comment on it, but when I do try it, I'll definitely be using lower doses for d-bol and a-drol.
 

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Great read. IF I ever mess with orals again I will do 50mg a drol pre work out annd 20 to 40mg d bol. As always test as a base and do some deca for the joints? I never tried deca before though.
 

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I was looking through the articles forum and didn't see it, which is why I posted it. I haven't tried this method (yet) so I can't really comment on it, but when I do try it, I'll definitely be using lower doses for d-bol and a-drol.
I enjoy reading his posts alot. By the way that is an excellent method. 50mg adrol with 30-40mg dbol is amazing. I take the adrol pre workout and split the dbol 4 times in the day.

You could combine any orals you wanted but imo dbol/adrol is a great combo. Avar and winny could be used also but I would rather just do a high dose of avar. I don't like high dose adrol so the above method is great.
 

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I enjoy reading his posts alot. By the way that is an excellent method. 50mg adrol with 30-40mg dbol is amazing. I take the adrol pre workout and split the dbol 4 times in the day.

You could combine any orals you wanted but imo dbol/adrol is a great combo. Avar and winny could be used also but I would rather just do a high dose of avar. I don't like high dose adrol so the above method is great.
I've done this combo and found it to be more effective than a higher dose of one or the other. That said I felt like shit and the back pumps were worse.
 

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interesting read. I know that from my past experience...i am able to handle dbol with no issues...except minor water retention. Never tried drol...but i had a couple friends who couldn't handle the emotional ups and downs with drol. So, i never dabbled into it, but am considering it with this read.
 

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The major issue as far as I see it is not which one is best, but why people feel the need to take such high doses of a liver toxic drug in the first place. It stands to reason, the higher the dose the more pronounced the side effects. I've gotten tremendous results with just 50 mg. anadrol per day.
My 2 cents
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Great thread. Shood be a sticky for sure. I have seen this question a million times on here. Good job man def gonna give it a try
 

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The major issue as far as I see it is not which one is best, but why people feel the need to take such high doses of a liver toxic drug in the first place. It stands to reason, the higher the dose the more pronounced the side effects. I've gotten tremendous results with just 50 mg. anadrol per day.
My 2 cents
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i agree here. Only thing i can think is that its due to receptors being worn out, so the reason for the higher dosage. However, i think 200mg of dbol or adrol is pretty high regardless.....
 

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i agree here. Only thing i can think is that its due to receptors being worn out, so the reason for the higher dosage. However, i think 200mg of dbol or adrol is pretty high regardless.....

Agree!
 

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Low dose combo

Thanks for the personal experience - been thinking about which to try and mixing at a low dose and benefiting from a symbiotic relationship sounds like a plan to me.
 

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Ive tried both. Even at low doses the sides were tremendous.
its like drinking Jack Daniels and tequila at the same time.
I would just pick one.
 

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I love Gavin's articles

I used this a while ago along with 225mg of test suspension per day (way too much I know). Size gains were not great but the strength was amazing.

I went from a low 400s bench to 495x2 at 245 pounds.
No sides for me either
 

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I like a lot them but I see is always more difficult to found high quality dianabol!!!!!
 

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Interesting, will definitley try this out for my next cycle. Would love to see what dbol&adrol will do together, I could turn into a monster in just a month haha.
 

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Interesting, will definitley try this out for my next cycle. Would love to see what dbol&adrol will do together, I could turn into a monster in just a month haha.
mmmm I'm not so sure will be good for your liver!!!! Anadrol and dianabol are epato toxic and take together I think is not the best choice
 

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