Another BALDNAZI case...here's my story

[HELLA SWOLE]

good luck bro ...even though it is unfortunate it opened many peoples eyes ...even mine ..thanks

I am glad to hear that bro, stay safe and take care of yourself. This post makes me feel good I wouldn't want to wish the worry I have right now on anyone. You feel like such a less efficient person when you have big issues such as this going on in your life.

Pimpman-You are right bro. Even though, my relationship with God hasn't been the strongest over the past few years, it is still there, and I know where to go. You're a good man.

I am going to go train now and release some steam before my strength starts dropping off.

 

[pimpman]

I am glad to hear that bro, stay safe and take care of yourself. This post makes me feel good I wouldn't want to wish the worry I have right now on anyone. You feel like such a less efficient person when you have big issues such as this going on in your life.

Pimpman-You are right bro. Even though, my relationship with God hasn't been the strongest over the past few years, it is still there, and I know where to go. You're a good man.

I am going to go train now and release some steam before my strength starts dropping off.

dont worry mine has not been the strongest ethier but i now he still cares for me and looks out for me as well as he does for you and all the bro's here.god bless you bro i say it again you will be ok.look at it this way this will be another story you will have to tell your grand kids some day.

 

[dragonfire101]

I did not know that bro. I am very sorry to hear that. SO when were you diagnosed and what is the plan of action? Just to come clean and forget about gear and see if it improves? or what?

I have a post in the counseling forum mor ein detail about my plan.

Have not touch AAS in almost 3 years I was diagnosed in Nov-Dec. For the past almost 2 year had stomach pains etc. Couldn't find the cause. About a year just became week tired no sex drive and gained weight like crazy. Then started braking out in hives and had flushing of the skin. Dr started me on thyroid meds because my levels were low. It did not help. Also has wierd blood tets results that were showing certain chemicals/hormones n blood that tumors usually are associates with. GI doctor did CAT Scan of internal organs and colonostomy found nothing accept slighty enlarged thyroid.. About 6-8 months kept getting weeker and tired and gain more weight and started getting swollen and bloated hands and feet when I woke up. Dr finally sent me to rule out a pituitary tumor , but found one. Its benign, most are.

My treAtment is HRT test, bromocriptinr,synthroid etc. They have take an MRI every 4 months to make sure it doe snot grow. I am going for a second opinion to see if i should have it removed. Just started lifting 1 month ago. Have not worked out in about a year because of all this, but hope to get ack on track with the HRT.

 

[thebrick]

Hella, I hate to hear that for you. Thanks for telling us like it is. We need to hear these things and not sugar-coat AAS. We should all think hard about what has happened. It could be anyone of use, even now, and not know it. None of us should fall into the trap that because we may think we look good on the outside, feel strong, etc. that that means everything is good on the INSIDE of our body. You were lucky you found it early. What if you didn't? That's a scary thought.

 

[flexmaster]

hella swole, thanks for posting this

im a young guy like you (23) and i think you just convinced me to go get myself checked out. like you ive listened to the older guys here and have never really gone really big with dosages...ive never touched tren imply for the fact that its know to be very harsh. i guess all im saying is thanks for posting this and i wish you good luck in the future.

are you in school right now?

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

Dragonfire- THat sounds like an absolute HORROR story. It just goes to show me that things can always be worse. I need to stop having a pitty party. Thanks for sharing that. I hope everything works out for you bro. You are in my prayers. Since they have been keeping track of the tumor has it gone DOWN in size at all? Or just stayed the same?

thebrick- Yes, on the outside for the past 8 months I have felt AWESOME. I stayed lean this year after my show (compared to years past) and I was consistently getting bigger and stronger. Everyone in the gym would stop to watch me dead lift or squat, it was a good feeling. I felt like a walking machine...I really did. My dick was hard all the time (hell it would have been even off gear at my age lol), my blood panels were good, I was strong as an ox.....life was good. Then shit hit the fan and I got a HUGE reality check. That's how it goes. Ya know, we all do this to get big and strong and look good or compete in front of a bunch of fat judges who critique our physique. To me the best part was the journey along the way though, but I ask myself is it or was it worth it? I spend all this time in the gym to look good....and for what? What good does a six pack and tree trunk quads do you if you are a walking time bomb on the inside waiting to explode or if you have severed ties with many people who care about you to get there. Life can change on a dime and it often takes occurrences like this to get people to see things for what they really are.

DOn't get me wrong, I LOVE bodybuilding, after I get my natty levels to return (God, I hope they return fully ) to normal and stay clean for a year or two I may even end up doing a natural show. I gotta say though, this sport can really consume the shit out of you if you are not careful. Your vision becomes very skewed and you can easily forget what is important. God (if you are religious), family and friends are what is really important in life...really that's all that matters. When you are on your death bed (whenever that may end up being..God forbid anytime soon) you are going to be small and weak and shriveling away, but your family and loved ones will be there and they wont give a shit if you lost 30 pounds of muscle. They will still love you and see you for who YOU are on the inside, not your body. The reality is that no one cares about your body anyways, sure people will comment "you look awesome, I wanna look like that" but its just that, one phrase, and then they move on. Its not like you are worshiped (except for by weird people) I know many do it for themselves (as do I), but you just gotta keep those things in mind to keep you honest and keep a grip on things. It is fun, it really is, but you should not have to let it get in the way of relationships, your faith, and your family. I kept a fairly good balance between it all, but at the same time I could see things slowly slipping. My family looked at me different because I was so "big" to them when just 5-6 years prior I was almost 100lbs lighter (a beanpole). I would get in arguments sometimes with them because I didn't want to go out to eat b/c I wanted to eat my diet food. I would stay in on nights when my buddies would go out and party just so I could get enough rest to train the next day. I would have debates inside my head with myself about the moral issues of using gear. I always had a problem with myself using deep down inside, but I always justified it to myself. Now, like I said, I kept a decent balance, but at the same time, I could have done better and these were the things I started to slowly notice and I realize they would have only gotten worse. For those who can keep the balance perfect, I applaud them and I say keep doing your thing, but if not, some people need to take a step back and look at the BIG picture.

I am not blaming all this on the gear. Alot of people are way worse about the way they go about things than I was, and will still never have a problem. I am a little unlucky in how my body responded, but that doesn't mean I am the only one...me nor baldnazi. I am jsut saying if you are going to use the stuff. Use it right and take ALL the necessary precautions. For if you don't it may come back to bite you in the ass.....or the throat.

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

im a young guy like you (23) and i think you just convinced me to go get myself checked out. like you ive listened to the older guys here and have never really gone really big with dosages...ive never touched tren imply for the fact that its know to be very harsh. i guess all im saying is thanks for posting this and i wish you good luck in the future.

are you in school right now?

Yea bro I am in my last semester of school right now, and it is not going good due to all the stress I have been under. I am in the process of looking for a career right now as well. If any of you have any openings, let me know!! lol

I am glad you are getting checked out, way to be pro-active. I know many guys who don't go to the doc simply because if there is something wrong with them, then they don't even want to know, they are scared. Correct me if I am wrong here flex, but if my mind serves me correctly didn't you make the decision last year or something to go natural? I am asking jsut simply out of curiosity, that's all.

 

[phatrr]

Hey Bro, first of all, I'm sorry to hear about your health issue.

But you're displaying the attitude that will bring you through this - my hat's off to you.

If you don't mind a question: what measures did you take to control estrogen during your cycling?

The reason I ask this: some of the bad effects that were initially blamed on AAS are looking more like the result of excess estrogen.

Hepatic adenomas are a known side effect of birth control pills. There's a lot of cases where women develop these, and then the tumours regress when they get off the pill.

It made me curious.

Once again, best of luck in your recovery!

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

Hey Bro, first of all, I'm sorry to hear about your health issue.

But you're displaying the attitude that will bring you through this - my hat's off to you.

If you don't mind a question: what measures did you take to control estrogen during your cycling?

The reason I ask this: some of the bad effects that were initially blamed on AAS are looking more like the result of excess estrogen.

Hepatic adenomas are a known side effect of birth control pills. There's a lot of cases where women develop these, and then the tumors regress when they get off the pill.

It made me curious.

Once again, best of luck in your recovery!

Ya know, this is a very good point and one that Baldnazi and I went over last night in our conversation. In all the literature I have read, when it comes to the steroid users who have adenomas, none of the studies really link any of it to estrogen, although it was mentioned as a possible cause in many of the female cases (who were on the pill). So it is hard to say for sure, it would be all speculation.

As far as me though....I have been on at least 12.5mg of aromasin EOD since late February of 2006. Before that, when I just "cycled" I didn't usually use an anti-e during the cycle, but did afterwards for PCT purposes.

 

[palehorse51]

Hella Swole, thank you for taking the time to inform us about your situation. I am sorry you are going through this. The good news is that you got on top of this thing early. You WILL be able to get through this! You are young enough to fully come back from this! Dont stop your nutrition and training as you could crash into a depression.....especially since you are coming off gear.

I am suprised to see how low your doses were( exact dose and inj as me) It shocks to know that you used reasonable oral doses and still had this problem! WOW!

I strongly encourage you to seek the advice of a chinese herbal medicine doctor. Western medicine is good, but it falls short in many ways! Western medicine focuses on surgery and drugs. I strongly believe an herbal doctor can help you more.

Dont think twice about the shitheads on these boards that may judge you!

GOOD LUCK! DONT GIVE UP!

 

[dragonfire101]

Since they have been keeping track of the tumor has it gone DOWN in size at all? Or just stayed the same?

I have to go for another MRI in about a month so I will see. I am going for a second opinion to see if surgery is an option.

What is your major at school?

Oh, by the way I am not as young as you, I am 29, but thats still young for having these type of problems.

 

[woody00]

so did you run orals or not? you noticed the pain after taking the tren, right? thanks...

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

I have to go for another MRI in about a month so I will see. I am going for a second opinion to see if surgery is an option.

What is your major at school?

Oh, by the way I am not as young as you, I am 29, but thats still young for having these type of problems.

Dragon- My major is sports business. I switched over from excercise science and it ended up being that sports business was a new major and still in development so it didn't turn out to be what I had expected. I am looking to go into sales. Matter or fact, I am currently pursuing a job in pharmaceutical sales. It is very competitive and hard to get into, but i have a few contacts I am following up with. I think I could do really well with it. Hey bro, would you mind keeping me updated on your situation. I am genuinely concerned to find out what happens with you, not just becuase I am in a similar situation, but also because I just hope things get better for you, it sounds like you've gone through hell already. If you don't want to post, you could maybe jsut hit me up via PM??

Palehorse- Thanks for the words of encouragement. I am glad I ended up posting my story. I will never stop training and my nutrition will definitely stay on point. THis will only motivate me to work harder to keep gains and to be able to hopefully keep gaining naturally after some recovery time of the HPTA.

Woody00- if you rad the first two posts you will see that I have used orals before, yes, but not in 7 months....none. No I never felt pain after taking tren either, I could tell it is hard on the body though. That was my second time taking it and I noticed the same feelings both times...its just really harsh

 

[dragonfire101]

I am genuinely concerned to find out what happens with you, not just becuase I am in a similar situation, but also because I just hope things get better for you, it sounds like you've gone through hell already.

I appreciate the kind thoughts. It sounds much worse than it really is. I keep you updated.

My fiance graduated with a business major. I was telling her to try to get into pharmaceutical sales or health adminstartion. Lots of mony to be made. Two of U.S. largest pharmaceutical companies are only 20 min from my home. Good luck with career. I majored in excercise science my 1st year of college and some how ended up graduating with a social work degree.

 

[LATS]

just called my bud down the street who is a physician (specialist in internal medicine and knows a little about gear lol) i asked about this condition and that two members of the board have come down with this condition.. he stated the following that might be interesting to others
1) condition will effect those mainly taking orals..
2) the condition effects 1 in 100,000 in females that take a oral birth control and hardly effect those that take the shot..
3) it is not just gear that can effect it.. those of us who use anything in pill form in abundence or for any length of time.. meaning anti e's, and pain killers..
4) the liver is a very strong organ and can take plenty of abuse but, ya have to give it some time off.. lol..
5) he state that orals should not be in anyones arsenal.. anadrol being a big culprit in his eyes .. he comes on the boards on occasion and is astonished by those who are taking 100mgs or more of anadrol or dbol.. as he put it "your gonna pay the piper doing that"..
6) he also said that the pct plans he reads are also hard to except.. nolva does not require 20-40 mgs a day.. i have said that inthe past.. look at the studies.. nolva and many other anti e's work great at very low dose and many have long half lives.. a every day routine is not needed.. nolva had , in some studies, caused a great increase in test at very low dose (10mgs).. we have some on theboards stating to take 40 mgs for over a month.. why?.. where did that figure come from? remember that nolva can be liver toxic too.. so it can also be many things we take in addition to the gear.. remeber that when you are shoving down anti e's ect.. .5 of arimedex twice a week is ample.. but, we have guys doing 1 mgs three times a week.. isnt needed..
so bare in mind that we need to stay away from some things.. here is the list he says are not needed 1) anadrol (way to harsh n ratio to gains) 2) tren ( 225 mgs a week for 4 weeks max) 3) cut back on the anti e;s.. less is best..4) if ya need pain meds there is a issue.. you need to either wait for the pain to subside or go have it looked at.. it is not uncommon for us to take advil and ibpro for way too long and on a regular basis..
as he said.. all the little things add up.. revamp what ya take and just dont look at the gear.. look at the whole routine.. and.. no orals..

 

[Uluwatu]

Hey brother keep a positive attitude like you are displaying now. Let the doctors do their part and you do yours. The most important thing is that you get healthy.

This is a good wake-up call for everybody. Sometimes we forget how important our health is. You can be the richest, biggest , strongest, etc, etc, but without your health you have nothing.

We might also forget that these are powerful medications and need to be respected. Get your bloodwork done and extensive yearly physicals at a minimum.

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

just called my bud down the street who is a physician (specialist in internal medicine and knows a little about gear lol) i asked about this condition and that two members of the board have come down with this condition.. he stated the following that might be interesting to others
1) condition will effect those mainly taking orals..
2) the condition effects 1 in 100,000 in females that take a oral birth control and hardly effect those that take the shot..
3) it is not just gear that can effect it.. those of us who use anything in pill form in abundence or for any length of time.. meaning anti e's, and pain killers..
4) the liver is a very strong organ and can take plenty of abuse but, ya have to give it some time off.. lol..
5) he state that orals should not be in anyones arsenal.. anadrol being a big culprit in his eyes .. he comes on the boards on occasion and is astonished by those who are taking 100mgs or more of anadrol or dbol.. as he put it "your gonna pay the piper doing that"..
6) he also said that the pct plans he reads are also hard to except.. nolva does not require 20-40 mgs a day.. i have said that inthe past.. look at the studies.. nolva and many other anti e's work great at very low dose and many have long half lives.. a every day routine is not needed.. nolva had , in some studies, caused a great increase in test at very low dose (10mgs).. we have some on theboards stating to take 40 mgs for over a month.. why?.. where did that figure come from? remember that nolva can be liver toxic too.. so it can also be many things we take in addition to the gear.. remeber that when you are shoving down anti e's ect.. .5 of arimedex twice a week is ample.. but, we have guys doing 1 mgs three times a week.. isnt needed..
so bare in mind that we need to stay away from some things.. here is the list he says are not needed 1) anadrol (way to harsh n ratio to gains) 2) tren ( 225 mgs a week for 4 weeks max) 3) cut back on the anti e;s.. less is best..4) if ya need pain meds there is a issue.. you need to either wait for the pain to subside or go have it looked at.. it is not uncommon for us to take advil and ibpro for way too long and on a regular basis..
as he said.. all the little things add up.. revamp what ya take and just dont look at the gear.. look at the whole routine.. and.. no orals..

Lats, you said that your physician buddy told you that this happens in 1 in 100,000 women who use the pill? Did he say how prominant it is among gear users?

I have to agree about the anadrol. I used it ONE time at 50mg for three weeks at the beginning of a cycle. and it really gave me bad sides. I am talking HIGH ass blood pressure, nosebleeds, and all around I just didn't feel "right" It just isn't needed. I agree with the tren as well. When I used it it made my body feel different, like it wasn't as efficient or something. My piss got a little rusty colored and I felt like it made me become EASILY dehydrated, which would explain it being harsh on the kidneys. One thing I would like to stress is that all of you fellas out there using FINA pellets to make tren....you are asking for it. THose pellets are made to be taken ORALLY. When you changes it to injectable form, you are still bringing some of the original binders and chemicals with it inevitably. That junk is just toxic IMO.

Did he mention anything about the chance of something like this subsiding after stopping gear ?

Uluwatu-You are right bro health is everything and should be put in front of everything.

 

[LATS]

YES.. he said it has been mentioned in various journals about gear users but, he said they just give certain case studies and that it did not appear to be a large amount.. but, one can not say.. he did say that those mentioned were because of large dosages of oral gear for extended periods of time.. the birth control pill can cause this because.. like he said.. it is in oral form and the women in question take it for long periods of time.. it does not affect those in the shot form..(exceptionally rare)
now we must remember that he is stating that the condition, when caught early can remedy itself if given time.. he also said it rarely leads to cancer..but. as he said.. there is not need for many of the oral meds we use at the dosages we use.. in some clinical studies 10 mgs of nolva worked great in various treatments regarding breat cancer and test boost.. but,. we see guys taking 40mgs a day for estro control and test boost.. way out of line.. less is best.. and if ya need 1 mgs of arimidex three times aweek to control estro sides, ya need to cut your test back..lol as he said.. look at the whole arsenal of things ya take.. much of it is oral..

 

[littlemack]

Sort of a small point, but I don't think I'd be taking any acetaminophen, while on orals, which is processed in the liver not the kidneys. Not a big deal I know...but something worth mentioning.

 

[LATS]

yep littlemack.. any oral painkiller is worth mentioning..he stated that to as i mentioned above.. look at the gear but, look at the other things we happen to take in addition to it...