Anti E's and SERMS while on DROL

[asilaydying]

Small dose of 50mg anadrol with 500mg test. You think 12.5mg EOD of aromasin,25mg proivron, .5mg cabergoline 2x per week and 20mg nolvadex is good enough at combating adrol's estrogen? Or should the nolva be upped to 40mg? Thanks brothers.

 

[asilaydying]

bump?

 

[buselmo]

My pet turtle usually has lots of prog related sides from things like deca and tren... and from what i read, anadrol does not induce estro related sides, but progesterone related sides.... my turtle never suffered from anything other than a puffy face when on drol... but if he did, i wouldn't give him nolvadex... i tried that once while giving him some tren, and it made the problem MUCH worse.
aromasin or letro alone is fine.

 

[asilaydying]

wow, no nolvdex while on adrol? Why? What about nolva with aromasin and an anti-progesterone like cabergoline?

 

[buselmo]

from my experience with my turtle... i believe that nolvadex increases progesteronic side effects... With estrogen, progesterone basically won't cause any trouble (maybe sexually, but not gyno wise)... so if you cut off the estrogen with an AI, progesterone won't be a problem... i've trien cabergoline on my turtle, but it didn't help much with his gyno, but it helped with the sexual sides... an AI alone (a strong one like letro) got rid of the problem without any cabergoline or SERM

 

[Swifto]

My pet turtle usually has lots of prog related sides from things like deca and tren... and from what i read, anadrol does not induce estro related sides, but progesterone related sides.... my turtle never suffered from anything other than a puffy face when on drol... but if he did, i wouldn't give him nolvadex... i tried that once while giving him some tren, and it made the problem MUCH worse.
aromasin or letro alone is fine.

ANdrol is a very weird compound when it comes to estrtogenic/progestenic sides. It cant convert to estrogen (being a DHT derived AS) but seems to activate the ER, its debated whether thats through the aromtase enzyme or another pathway?

As for progestenic sides, it there are conflicting views on this again. It can show some progestenic sides and thats from user's experiences/reports.

I'd go with an AI (Aromasin or Letro) and Caber IMHO. I cant see you running into problems there, but maybe with someone with more experience can chime in here.

 

[asilaydying]

Thanks everyone. I'd love to see some more info about how nolvadex can increase the progesterone sides.

 

[asilaydying]

BIG CAT wrote this:

The water component resulting from oxymetholone use is not be under-estimated either. The benefit of water retention is of course a lubrication of the joints, allowing the comfort of pain-free workouts even with extremely heavy weights, as well as the retention of more nutrients inside the cell, possibly leading to more permanent growth in muscle tissue. The downside to a massive water retention is that it gives you a rather puffed up look. A look not uncommon in off-season competitive bodybuilders and the heaviest classes of powerlifters. With the estrogen increase of course comes the increased risk of more side-effects such as gynocomastia (growth of breast tissue in men). Therefore its always advised that a cycle of oxymetholone is accompanied by the use of an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex. Nolvadex, keeping in mind that aromatase enzyme is not involved, would be the wiser choice as it blocks the receptor for estrogen rather than the aromatase enzyme. Its wise to note as well that the gains from oxymetholone are largely mediated by estrogen, so reducing estrogen may reduce results as well.

 

[buselmo]

no offence to big cat, put he wrote stuff that's mostly good on paper, but never apply in real world application.

only advice for you or anyone who's confused at this point is to try it with nolvadex first, and if you still get puffy and itchy nips, keep letro on hand and switch to it... gyno doesn't blow up overnight.

 

[sickboy]

Just have Nolva or Letro on hand before you start. No reason to take them if you don't need to.