any medical people? help?

[qbkilla]

I was wondering if anyone knew alot about MRI's. I got an MRI today for a torn pec and the readiologist said she could not discuss it with me, i had to talk about it with the doc. I got out of her that she did see an edema, but she said the pec looked fine..

I know nothing about MRI"s but iwas looking at them, and the "edema" she sees im guessing is all this white stuff that is inside my left lung, i see nothing wrong with my pec. I have been looking at the MRI and googling all day, and it looks like I have a "pulmonary edema". THe ones they took of my lungs look exactly like every google images pic for "pulmonary edema" or congestive heart failure.

However they are all X-rays. Im wondering will an MRI show fluid in the lungs also? THis is kind of fucked up I wasnt expecting all this from an mri.

 

[Liphted]

However they are all X-rays. Im wondering will an MRI show fluid in the lungs also?

I'm confused, did you get x-rays taken or did you have an MRI scan done? X-Rays and CT scans are usually more typical of imaging something like a pulmonary edema, but yes an MRI can pick it up. I'd just relax however until you hear from your doctor. Much easier said than done. Hope the best for you however it turns out.

 

[sadie]

I was wondering if anyone knew alot about MRI's. I got an MRI today for a torn pec and the readiologist said she could not discuss it with me, i had to talk about it with the doc. I got out of her that she did see an edema, but she said the pec looked fine..

I know nothing about MRI"s but iwas looking at them, and the "edema" she sees im guessing is all this white stuff that is inside my left lung, i see nothing wrong with my pec. I have been looking at the MRI and googling all day, and it looks like I have a "pulmonary edema". THe ones they took of my lungs look exactly like every google images pic for "pulmonary edema" or congestive heart failure.

However they are all X-rays. Im wondering will an MRI show fluid in the lungs also? THis is kind of fucked up I wasnt expecting all this from an mri.

adema is a cool way of saying she seems a bruise lol (this means you basically sprained.. not tore your pec)

they seriously arent supposed to tell you anything without your doctor its not personal... your post is the exact reason why.. you take what they say.. freak and jump on the internet for no reason.. your doctor will explain it to you just relax


btw.. lunges usually are light colors in MRIs because of the way the scan hits soft tissue. that is WHY MRIs are used over xrays.. close your browser now and relax

 

[gyno]

If you had pulmonary edema, you'd know it (nine times out of ten). Edema is just fluid. It can be exudate, water, the result of mucus membrane hypertrophy (most likely the result of COPD, in which case you'd definately know).

 

[gyno]

you spelled "edema" wrong. LOL. Just busting your chops.
It's a funny thing about medical terminology, they take such simple things and make them SO over the top.
Bruise
aka
contusion
aka
hematoma
aka
echimosis
4 terms with VIRTUALY no difference, all to say "bruise" lol.

adema is a cool way of saying she seems a bruise lol (this means you basically sprained.. not tore your pec)

they seriously arent supposed to tell you anything without your doctor its not personal... your post is the exact reason why.. you take what they say.. freak and jump on the internet for no reason.. your doctor will explain it to you just relax


btw.. lunges usually are light colors in MRIs because of the way the scan hits soft tissue. that is WHY MRIs are used over xrays.. close your browser now and relax

 

[sadie]

lol im listening to the band adema.. its subliminal messaging damn it lol

 

[myosin]

Not too much to add, but...

I see CXR's and MRI's fairly often in the ICU (certainly NOT an expert on it though) but I've been in this for about 9 years now (still have ALOT to learn though).


Bottomline- you should just wait for the doctor (I know, easier said than done).

I was sitting here thinking about some of the possibilities, and yes there are a few. I really wanted to be of a "help" and list them out, what might be done about them, etc., but I realized...
1) It's unfair to you, and unprofessional to say much when I can't see your MRI.

2) I could list various possibilities- but what's the point? What if you see something you hope it to be and then it ends up worse, or you think it's something terrible and you keep focusing on it and then it end's up a little deal (all that energy, anxiety and stress for nothing).

MD Radiologists are specialists, that's all they read. Wait until they give the report to your Doc.

Looking online is of course a great help, but there are many variables. Must compare apples to apples (MRI to MRI, not CXR to MRI), etc. I see many families go online and look for info (with the best of intentions) but they don't know the entire picture or the other variables and often cause more trouble than good.

ProMuscle members- in all respect, even if we have the best of intentions to help a friend here, can I encourage you to suppress any more posts on this matter until our friend gets an actual diagnosis?

Edit- As for the the posts about it not being pulmonary edema, AGREED... Pulmonary edema would have you spitting out pink frothy sputum and/or having an extreme difficulty in breathing (tachypnea- breathing fast, shallow breaths, anxiety).

 

[qbkilla]

thanks for the replies everyone. it was an mri, and i see the white stuff in the lung that looks exactley like any google images result for 'pulmonary edema' i know my heart isnt right im just scared to check it out.

the only real symptom i haave that is consistent with pulomnary edema is i breathe very heavy (maybe because of my mass, have any of you guys been told you breathe heavy by others???) and swollen feet ankles, but i have had swollen feet ankes for about 3 years, i always thought it was due to vericose veins and circulation problems in my legs (im 24 though).

also i do not have a primary care doc, will my ortho surgeon (who is just supposed to be lookin at a possible torn pec) actually adress the lung MRI when he meets with me? it seems outside his field.

 

[myosin]

Quick questions...

thanks for the replies everyone. it was an mri, and i see the white stuff in the lung that looks exactley like any google images result for 'pulmonary edema' i know my heart isnt right im just scared to check it out.

the only real symptom i haave that is consistent with pulomnary edema is i breathe very heavy (maybe because of my mass, have any of you guys been told you breathe heavy by others???) and swollen feet ankles, but i have had swollen feet ankes for about 3 years, i always thought it was due to vericose veins and circulation problems in my legs (im 24 though).

also i do not have a primary care doc, will my ortho surgeon (who is just supposed to be lookin at a possible torn pec) actually adress the lung MRI when he meets with me? it seems outside his field.

Doc-
1) Did you go straight to an Orthopod? Do you have PPO then?

2) You should technically have a primary care doc if so (it'll say on your insurance card) (with PPO you can see a specialist w/out seeing a primary).

3) The Orthopod may even refer you to another specialist depending on the Radiologists' finding (say you required pec surgery, he isn't going to operate on someone with sick lungs unless he knows they'll be OK with the surgery).

Swollen ankles, difficulty breathing-
Again, I think it's unfair to delve into this... too many potential reasons, it could be one single reason or a couple or a few that contribute to the problem.

Medicine is deductive: You have a problem. Now you need a medical professional who will walk through your assessment and history and deduce what the originating problem (and solution) is.

 

[VitoBrata]

I'm PA, I would have to see the imaging to tell you anything. BTW contrary to popular belief your GP is not qualified to interpret MRI's Xray's or any other radiology. A radiologist is. And they vary drastically in quality. Doctors are just human beings and they are subject to flawed opinion as much as accurate. What she is seeing (and why she is not concerned) is blood/water accumulated from the injury and it is showing up on the imaging.

Let me tell you what she is doing. She is reading the radiologist's report and telling you word for word what he said. That's it. That is what GP's do. They are a jack of all trades and master of none. They will ALWAYS defer to the radiologist. The only thing doctors really care about is legal liability, the radiologist just absolved her of that, it's his problem now. She is not concerned because 1) It's not her body and 2) because the radiologist told her not to be concerned.

My experience is in two weeks it will be gone completely if you rest it. Rest and pharmaceuticals is all western medicine really has to offer. That's why I prefer to work for Osteopathic doctors whenever possible. They tend to be more concerned with actual health than money.

And please do not PM me asking for prescriptions.

 

[Pekkerwood]

thanks for the replies everyone. it was an mri, and i see the white stuff in the lung that looks exactley like any google images result for 'pulmonary edema' i know my heart isnt right im just scared to check it out.

the only real symptom i haave that is consistent with pulomnary edema is i breathe very heavy (maybe because of my mass, have any of you guys been told you breathe heavy by others???) and swollen feet ankles, but i have had swollen feet ankes for about 3 years, i always thought it was due to vericose veins and circulation problems in my legs (im 24 though).

also i do not have a primary care doc, will my ortho surgeon (who is just supposed to be lookin at a possible torn pec) actually adress the lung MRI when he meets with me? it seems outside his field.

QBKilla:

When are you to see your doc? Heavy breathing (trying to breathe, or having to "think" about breathing" and fluid buildup around the ankles are potential signs of congestive heart failure. Notice I said potential signs. The fact that you say you "know you have something wrong with your heart" also makes me wonder, why you say this? What other evidence is there? How is your BP? Your resting heart rate? Do you have a harder time breathing lying down as opposed to sitting up? Do you tend to sleep a lot on your stomach, because its easier to breathe? How much do you weigh? Have you had an EKG lately? Do you have sleep apnea?

If you are pooling fluids in your ankles, at a minimum please restrict sodium to 2 grams a day or less. Its harder than you think.

 

[myosin]

Who told you edema- Tech or Radiologist?

Who exactly said you had the edema? It sounds like it was the Tech actually right? Not the actual Radiologist?

The GP is important though as they can help steer you to the right person- as mentioned, just because one organ doesn't look good it doesn't mean THAT is organ isn't functioning correctly, i.e., fluid build-up can be cardiac and/or renal related, or adrenal actually, and so on.

Let's keep it simple-
1) Find out your GP. (If you have PPO <which is what it sounds like>, ask around for recommendations as you can go to any GP you want).

2) Have the report sent there.

3) Take the next steps from there and their consultation of who to see.

Again, guys, let's try to be careful what we say b/c there are too many unknowns here. I didn't want to bring up the CHF possibility, but the previous post is correct in this potentiality.

I'm all for being prepared so you can best deal with a situation so don't get me wrong, but with all these variables, too many possibilities.

 

[gyno]

agree completely. If it really was an MRI that showed fluid in your lungs, plus you say you have swelling around your ankles, I would not waste ONE MINUTE getting that checked out bro. Really...

QBKilla:

When are you to see your doc? Heavy breathing (trying to breathe, or having to "think" about breathing" and fluid buildup around the ankles are potential signs of congestive heart failure. Notice I said potential signs. The fact that you say you "know you have something wrong with your heart" also makes me wonder, why you say this? What other evidence is there? How is your BP? Your resting heart rate? Do you have a harder time breathing lying down as opposed to sitting up? Do you tend to sleep a lot on your stomach, because its easier to breathe? How much do you weigh? Have you had an EKG lately? Do you have sleep apnea?

If you are pooling fluids in your ankles, at a minimum please restrict sodium to 2 grams a day or less. Its harder than you think.

 

[Gambel]

I was wondering if anyone knew alot about MRI's. I got an MRI today for a torn pec and the readiologist said she could not discuss it with me, i had to talk about it with the doc. I got out of her that she did see an edema, but she said the pec looked fine..

I know nothing about MRI"s but iwas looking at them, and the "edema" she sees im guessing is all this white stuff that is inside my left lung, i see nothing wrong with my pec. I have been looking at the MRI and googling all day, and it looks like I have a "pulmonary edema". THe ones they took of my lungs look exactly like every google images pic for "pulmonary edema" or congestive heart failure.

However they are all X-rays. Im wondering will an MRI show fluid in the lungs also? THis is kind of fucked up I wasnt expecting all this from an mri.

Without looking at the actual MRI, it will be difficult for us to assist you. I am assuming it was a T1 weighted MRI. Edema surrounding the pec could be due to a minor tear in the pec or it could represent surrounding tissue edema (and possibly pulmonary edema). If you had serious pulmonary edema, you would be symptomatic and likely admitted to the hospital immediately (or at least more extensively evaluated). At this point, I would wait to see your physician. In the interim, you can request a copy of your radiology report which should detail the radiologists interpretation of the film and a differential diagnosis (including most probable Dx) associated with the findings observed. Once again, I would not excessively worry over your film results at this point. As others have mentioned, the tech that performed the MRI is not authorized to discuss the results (I highly doubt the radiologist would have been there because they tend to review the films well after they have been taken...with the exception being interventional radiology). So in short, don't worry about the results at this point and make sure you see your physician as soon as possible if you are concerned.

 

[Muay Thai]

you spelled "edema" wrong. LOL. Just busting your chops.
It's a funny thing about medical terminology, they take such simple things and make them SO over the top.
Bruise
aka
contusion
aka
hematoma
aka
echimosis
4 terms with VIRTUALY no difference, all to say "bruise" lol.

HEMATOMAS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A TOPICAL BRUISE, HEMATOMAS ARE CAUSED BY INTERNAL HEMMORAGING AND HAVE MORE TENDENCY TO SOLIDIFY! MORE CONCENTRATED BROKEN VESSELS THEY TEND TO BE DARKER NASTIER AND MAY TURN GREEN YELLOW BLUE WHATEVER COLOR NORMAL ONES TURN TOO . ALSO, HEMATOMAS SPREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUBDERMAL BRUISES ARE FAR DIFFERENT TOO

GET YOUR INFO RIGHT BRO

I AM AN APPRENTICE TO A GENERAL PHYSICIAN AND IN P.A SCHOOL RIGHT NOW
I AM ALSO A SELF TAUGHT CHEMIST WHO GETS TO SHADOW A CHEMIST AT A COMPOUND PHARMACY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ONCE A WEEK, RIGHT NOW WE ARE DEVELOPING A VERSIONA OF OMEPRAZOLE WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE TO HELP BUFFER STOMACH ACID AND MAKE OMEPRAZOLE DR MORE DELAYED IN ITS DISPERSION . ALSO IM LITERATE IN MUSCULATURE, SKELETAL STRUCTURE, PHYSIOLOGY AND A FEW OTHER CONCEPTS RELATING TO SPORTS/GENERAL MEDICINE

IM ALSO A CERTIFIED NUTRITIONIST AND PERSONAL TRAINER FROM INTERNATIONAL SPORTS SCIENCES INSTITUTE

 

[Gambel]

HEMATOMAS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A TOPICAL BRUISE

INSIDE OUT BRUISES ARE FAR DIFFERENT TOO

GET YOUR INFO RIGHT BRO

Agreed. You should not describe a bruise as a hematoma. A bruise is simply a contusion.

 

[gyno]

1. During my time using the search button here on PM, you seem to have the most outlandish, contradictory posts.
2. I don't recall asking for your entire resume...seems fishy to me you felt the need to validate your post.

I AM AN APPRENTICE TO A GENERAL PHYSICIAN AND IN P.A SCHOOL RIGHT NOW

3. Kinda funny...I AM a PA. How are you liking school. Sucks huh?
I'm taking a break from missions right now, and am sitting in the hospital going through the thread, and show your post to my buddy (the ER Doc, OIC of the EMT). He just laughed...said guys like you made medschool far more difficult then it had to be. LOL.

HEMATOMAS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A TOPICAL BRUISE, HEMATOMAS ARE CAUSED BY INTERNAL HEMMORAGING AND HAVE MORE TENDENCY TO SOLIDIFY! MORE CONCENTRATED BROKEN VESSELS THEY TEND TO BE DARKER NASTIER AND MAY TURN GREEN YELLOW BLUE WHATEVER COLOR NORMAL ONES TURN TOO . ALSO, HEMATOMAS SPREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUBDERMAL BRUISES ARE FAR DIFFERENT TOO

GET YOUR INFO RIGHT BRO

I AM AN APPRENTICE TO A GENERAL PHYSICIAN AND IN P.A SCHOOL RIGHT NOW
I AM ALSO A SELF TAUGHT CHEMIST WHO GETS TO SHADOW A CHEMIST AT A COMPOUND PHARMACY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ONCE A WEEK, RIGHT NOW WE ARE DEVELOPING A VERSIONA OF OMEPRAZOLE WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE TO HELP BUFFER STOMACH ACID AND MAKE OMEPRAZOLE DR MORE DELAYED IN ITS DISPERSION . ALSO IM LITERATE IN MUSCULATURE, SKELETAL STRUCTURE, PHYSIOLOGY AND A FEW OTHER CONCEPTS RELATING TO SPORTS/GENERAL MEDICINE

IM ALSO A CERTIFIED NUTRITIONIST AND PERSONAL TRAINER FROM INTERNATIONAL SPORTS SCIENCES INSTITUTE

 

[Muay Thai]

1. During my time using the search button here on PM, you seem to have the most outlandish, contradictory posts.
2. I don't recall asking for your entire resume...seems fishy to me you felt the need to validate your post.

3. Kinda funny...I AM a PA. How are you liking school. Sucks huh?
I'm taking a break from missions right now, and am sitting in the hospital going through the thread, and show your post to my buddy (the ER Doc, OIC of the EMT). He just laughed...said guys like you made medschool far more difficult then it had to be. LOL.

i AM AN APPRENTICE

AND AT PA SCHOOL AT UCSD
IM IN MY LAST YEAR OF THE PROGRAM THEY ARE THIKING OF EXTGENDING IT A YEAR MORE AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING

I HAD MY FIRST MERCK HOME INDEX MAN YYEARS AGO AND WENT THAT ROUTE UNTIL A DOCTOR SPONSORED ME

ITS TOUGH WHEN YOU TRAIN IDIOTS I TRAIN 15 PEOPLE A DAY 6 DAYS A WEEK WHO DEMAND CREDENTIALS AND HARMONIUS ARTICULATION OF EACH SUBJECT

TO BE HOENST I AM MORE LEFT BRAIN THINKER
AND STATISTICS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK MATH

I AM ONLY 21 BRO, MY BEST FRIENDS ARE ALL PA'S RN'S NA'S OR PEOPLE MD AND MY MENTOR AT THE COMPOUND PHARMACY JUST GOT HER MBA FROM UCDAVIS. MY BROTHER IS A BIOCHEMISTRY MAJOR FROM BERKELEY AND HIS GIRLFRIEND IS A BIOORGANISMS MAJOR FROM UCSD THEY BOTH WORK IN THE LAB AND PUT OUT PUBMED TYPE PUBLICATIONS ABOUT ALLELES AND ANTI TUMOR RESEARCH

JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW ASTRA ZENECA, WATSON, SCHERING, ROCHE, ETC ARE ALL TOWARD THE END OF CANCELLING ALL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF NEW DRUGS DUE TO WATS GOING ON IN LEGISLATIONS

MEDICALY I AM UNBIASED AND STICK TO THE SCRIPT.

WHEN IT COMES TO ANABOLICS OR SPONSORS OR TRAINING METHODS SURE, WITH TIME BRINGS CHANGE AND NEW METHODS DEVELOP I HAVE NO ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT, IM UNORTHODOX IN MY OPINIONS

 

[Muay Thai]

you spelled "edema" wrong. LOL. Just busting your chops.
It's a funny thing about medical terminology, they take such simple things and make them SO over the top.
Bruise
aka
contusion
aka
hematoma
aka
echimosis
4 terms with VIRTUALY no difference, all to say "bruise" lol.

YOUR INFORMATION IS INCORRECT

@ THE ORIGINAL POSTER YOU NEED A CATSCAN NOT AN MRI.

 

[gyno]

what on EARTH are you talking about? Who even mentioned pharmacuetical companies? Who asked about your family and friends, and how on earth is that pertinent? My mom and aunt work at a bakery...

OK smart guy. What is a subdermal hematoma? a bruise maybe?
It was guys like you that made me spend an extra hour in the classroom arguing over semantics, when I could have been in the gym or spending time with my wife.