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Any old school people have advice on gear that actually works and doesn't cause pain for days?

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Look here is the deal I've been around since the early 90's and meet a lot of people throughout my journey of bodybuilding but is it just me or does anyone else HONESTLY feel like they are really getting good gear anymore? I mean shit it seems like every so often I try something out and don't get anything from it besides a little bloat but more than anything I get pain all though out my body with some esters. One being Test prop....I know this, so I choose to stay away from just prop and do either blends or just straight cyp, eth. I have yet been able to really find anything that I was like holy shit! Like back in the early 2000's when I could grab either Vet stuff or Straight pharm. But make no mistake I've had my share of underground that has treated me well, but the past 10 years I feel like its just went to shit. I mean if ever have been through a serious complication removing you from the sport for a while and came back its easier to see if that gear is actually going to work. I'm talking not even waking up with a hard-on, yeah, I said it. That should be a HUGE indication if your shit is legit or not, along with appiatite, stamina and the overwhelming feeling of feeling good. So over wasting money.... Money isn't even the problem its finding good shit that is actually legit working on someone who hasn't been on gear for 10 plus year or constantly in the gym. So, for once let's hear some honest shit on finding out who REALLY carries the best shit. Also be mindful of the board rules please.
 
In this day and age thanks to easy access to testing, competition and raws of decent quality, UGL gear is better than it had ever been. Have seriously never heard this statement unless someone is reminiscing about old time name brand pharma from when they were young/new (Negma Parabolan, Fina pellet tren, Syntex Drol, Zambon Winny, Spa Anavar....).
 
I been in this hobby as a gym bro for 8 years. Tried about 6 different labs for oils and orals of various compounds. I have never gotten a single vial of bunk oil of any substance from any of the labs I have tried. The orals are a different story though. I have gotten one completely bunk batch of dbol and one bunk batch of clen. Thats it.

No offense, but I legit wonder where these people who say everything is fake are getting their gear.
 
Gear now at mid 40's definitely does not work near as good as the stuff I used in my mid 20's.

After careful scientific analysis I have determined that this is because: EVERYTHING F%#@%&#G WORKS BETTER WHEN YOU ARE 25!
 
About 15 years ago I was compounding my own stuff. HOLY CRAP that shit was strong! But yeah, the older you are the less well this stuff works and the more side effects creep in. You'll notice that a lot of guys that still hang around here in their 50s and older pretty much stick to low dose cycling and TRT just to maintain and feel normal. Nothing lasts forever. It's the way of all flesh.
 
Gear now at mid 40's definitely does not work near as good as the stuff I used in my mid 20's.

After careful scientific analysis I have determined that this is because: EVERYTHING F%#@%&#G WORKS BETTER WHEN YOU ARE 25!
Exactly… I’ve been around PM since 04 and have gotten ‘bad’ gear just a couple times including the early days when it was the Wild West as far as suppliers. Now, with all the testing, it’s on you.

You’re getting old man…. Plain and simple. And, if you’re not genetically gifted, better be able to grind to maintain whatever it is you do have.

I’ve had everything from pharma to home brew and never noticed a difference. Same w GH. Bloodwork over the years has mostly backed that up. Difference now is I’m on the other side of 40 w some hard miles on the tread.
 
I’ve never understood this argument of “gear isn’t as good as it used to be”

5-10 years ago? Sure. Pharma was a much better idea than most UGL. They didn’t test raws. They didn’t test finished oils. But now many sponsors do
Both.

If a sponsor has HPLC tested 98.8% pure test cyp powder, and his finished oil tested out at 204mg/ml by HPLC……what exactly do you think a bottle of Watson Test cyp from the pharmacy is going to do differently?

If you get shit gear nowadays, it’s because your buying gear from these pop-up labs doing “BOGO Memorial Day deal!!!”

I can think of 3 sponsors right off the top of my head with dozens/ maybe hundreds of HPLc reports over the years here.
 
Uggghhhh.. I hate painful Test 👎🏾 hate hate HATE. If it’s not the esters, it’s the dang carrier oils… who knows anymore.

Prop definitely hurts. Enanthate hurts now too, actual Cyp, and not Enanthate rebranded as “Cyp”, seems to agree best. Gonna try some Test Undeclin-whatever-it-is/Nebido and see how that feels on the pain scale.

Side note: EQ is NEVER painful. F’n LOVE Eq ❤️
 
The products i use now are as good as the ones i used 25 years ago which are just as effective as the what i get from my pharmacy. Molecules don't change. Expectations, hopes and reams can though i find.
 
A lot of guys use EO now….
For some including me that stuff doesn’t work as well as other formulas. Not the “effectiveness” but the pip.
Check to see what it’s formulated with then maybe you can find what you like and eliminate the problem.
 
Ive been around since the 90s if anyone remembers anabolex, underground, etc.

I use to get fake or underdosed gear more often before China opened up. The old pink omnas from Russia were always hit and miss etc.

The only thing I'd say that was different was making Tren from pellets. Holy crap those were powerful.
 
We hear this all the time from older guys. We never hear it from younger guys and there are plenty of us who only use sources from this board.

Gear today is as good or better than it's ever been and we have plenty of testing to prove it.
 

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