Anyone ever get persistent braing fog/dizziness?

[nothuman]

I suspect it's blood pressure related. The combination of blood pressure medications (in particular the nebivolol), supplements that alter blood pressure (e.g. astragalus, NO boosters mainly causing peripheral vasodilation) and the AR may lead to insufficient blood flow to the brain?

I would start by cutting out the supps that have an impact on NO, then reduce the astragalus dose to something like 1g a day at most. If that does not help, reduce Nebivolol dose slowly over time.

It's a long shot but hey...

I'm going to give what you are suggesting a try.

It's worth mentioning I take Cialis too most days and some days a little extra. I will stop that for now other than if I really need it. Obviously that raises NO.

I also looked at foods I consume every day that all boost NO which could be adding to it (beet juice, leafy greens, nuts, berries, dark chocolate). I will not have beet juice either for now.

My BP these last few days has been averaging about 114/57 or so. Diastolic is always low because of my AR. This isn't a new thing though.

I never even considered too much NO but I probably consume too much anyway. Who knows.

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

I'm going to give what you are suggesting a try.

It's worth mentioning I take Cialis too most days and some days a little extra. I will stop that for now other than if I really need it. Obviously that raises NO.

I also looked at foods I consume every day that all boost NO which could be adding to it (beet juice, leafy greens, nuts, berries, dark chocolate). I will not have beet juice either for now.

My BP these last few days has been averaging about 114/57 or so. Diastolic is always low because of my AR. This isn't a new thing though.

I never even considered too much NO but I probably consume too much anyway. Who knows.

Yeah the combination of Cialis and Nitrates in e.g. beetroot can really fuck with your diastolic. I wouldn't just drop things from one day to the next though, any drug should be titrated down. So half the cialis dose for a couple days before going off completely. Similarly, don't stop eating everything NO related, cut them out one by one or just lower the amount of each.

 

[nothuman]

Yeah the combination of Cialis and Nitrates in e.g. beetroot can really fuck with your diastolic. I wouldn't just drop things from one day to the next though, any drug should be titrated down. So half the cialis dose for a couple days before going off completely. Similarly, don't stop eating everything NO related, cut them out one by one or just lower the amount of each.

Good call. That’s what I will do.

I also think it’s time to take a break from these herbal supplements I’ve been taking for years like ashwagandha, rhodiola, and Arjuna. Probably best to cycle off that type of thing. I don’t think they’re causing the problem though.

 

[nothuman]

Well, I didn't take anything that boosts NO and only took essential supplements today and I feel way better. Hopefully this maintains...

 

[Sides]

I'm following this with interest. I also have brain fog and some dizziness, especially in the late afternoon after I have been working at the computer for some hours.

If I go train, or otherwise move around for a while, the brain fog usually goes away, but of course you can't train every day.

I also take daily Cialis, yohimbine, and other supplements that are vasodilators and raise nitric oxide. It never occurred to me that too much NO could be the cause, but of course it stands to reason that too much of anything isn't necessarily a good thing.

Perhaps I will have to decrease the Cialis and yohimbine as well.

 

[maldorf]

Well, I didn't take anything that boosts NO and only took essential supplements today and I feel way better. Hopefully this maintains...

Have you compared your blood pressure?

 

[Elvia1023]

I suspect it's blood pressure related. The combination of blood pressure medications (in particular the nebivolol), supplements that alter blood pressure (e.g. astragalus, NO boosters mainly causing peripheral vasodilation) and the AR may lead to insufficient blood flow to the brain?

I would start by cutting out the supps that have an impact on NO, then reduce the astragalus dose to something like 1g a day at most. If that does not help, reduce Nebivolol dose slowly over time.

It's a long shot but hey...

I was going to recommend this but I see you have already done it and hopefully it gets rid of the problem.

Your bp is quite low so when you carry on using those bp meds plus your cialis (varying doses) use it could lead to issues such as dizziness.

I am probably taking too many supps now but as I have posted to you in the past I think you take far too many. There is no real scientific date we can use most of the time either. Sure we can look up known interactions between drugs/supplements but they are not all known plus what about if we are using 40 different things daily. Plus so many supps have unknown effects we may not know when we add them in such as lowering bp. Those effects may be minor so it takes time to see so it's not a case of add x supp and 1 week later we know it must be that.

Obviously health is important to you so do what you think is best and you are doing a great job if your blood work is anything to go by. I would just lower the supps and have a small limit for ones that effect BP and NO levels. Even cialis only can cause your side effects so that definitely needs to be dropped. I know you really like that one so add it back in but I would limit the dose to approx 10mg per day. I hope you start feeling better. I have suffered similar side effects a lot due to my inner ear problems in the past.

 

[j2048b]

Good call. That’s what I will do.



I also think it’s time to take a break from these herbal supplements I’ve been taking for years like ashwagandha, rhodiola, and Arjuna. Probably best to cycle off that type of thing. I don’t think they’re causing the problem though.

Ashwagandha and rhodiola both caused me to feel like a pile o poop

And too many N.O. supps really are not that good for u, as well as taking too many things to thwart a certain issue such as bp, etc....

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[aphextwin]

I'm interested to see if you start feeling better.

 

[aphextwin]

Ashwagandha and rhodiola both caused me to feel like a pile o poop

And too many N.O. supps really are not that good for u, as well as taking too many things to thwart a certain issue such as bp, etc....

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You feel bad using Ash and Rhod? How so?

 

[nothuman]

Have you compared your blood pressure?

Yea and it hasn't changed to be honest really

I was going to recommend this but I see you have already done it and hopefully it gets rid of the problem.

Your bp is quite low so when you carry on using those bp meds plus your cialis (varying doses) use it could lead to issues such as dizziness.

I am probably taking too many supps now but as I have posted to you in the past I think you take far too many. There is no real scientific date we can use most of the time either. Sure we can look up known interactions between drugs/supplements but they are not all known plus what about if we are using 40 different things daily. Plus so many supps have unknown effects we may not know when we add them in such as lowering bp. Those effects may be minor so it takes time to see so it's not a case of add x supp and 1 week later we know it must be that.

Obviously health is important to you so do what you think is best and you are doing a great job if your blood work is anything to go by. I would just lower the supps and have a small limit for ones that effect BP and NO levels. Even cialis only can cause your side effects so that definitely needs to be dropped. I know you really like that one so add it back in but I would limit the dose to approx 10mg per day. I hope you start feeling better. I have suffered similar side effects a lot due to my inner ear problems in the past.

Good stuff man

I know it's easy to think its blood pressure causing my issues but to be honest, my diastolic BP was more or less the same before I started adding extra stuff that could potentially lower it. My diastolic can't really go above 62 or so due to a heart valve leak (which I will need repaired at some point).

When I take my BP when I am at my dizziest, my BP isn't any lower. In fact, sometimes it could be higher. I am not convinced it's related despite common wisdom making it seem like it could be the root of the issue.

From this point on, I will be cycling supplements on and off. I think staying on forever was not a smart move. Only things I won't be cycling are the essentials vitamins/minerals like magnesium, vitamin k, d, etc. and then things like ubiquinol and curcumin I probably won't cycle either.

Ashwagandha and rhodiola both caused me to feel like a pile o poop

And too many N.O. supps really are not that good for u, as well as taking too many things to thwart a certain issue such as bp, etc....

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Ash and rhodiola make me feel great normally, but considering I haven't taken a day off from them in a few years now, and doing research and reading I should be cycling herbs, I think it was a mistake to not take breaks.

I'll start back on them in a few weeks.

And yea, I wasn't aware that too much NO can be a bad thing. Now I know.

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

One thing to note is that you are measuring brachial BP with your cuff. Blood pressure of the vessels that feed your brain are determined by central BP though. Central systolic BP can differ quite a bit and BP meds can have differential effects on cental and brachial BP.

That being said, something else could be the cause as well. So eliminating and reintroducing supps is certainly a good idea.

 

[Landmonster]

You may or may not be aware, but one of the common side effects for telmisartan is dizziness.

Also here is something else worth looking into. I was getting similar dizziness and lightheaded feelings combined with weird feelings of anxiousness and nervousness. I narrowed this down to too much tuna consumption with high levels of Mercury.

Mercury is known to screw with a lot of functions in the brain, including anxiety, blood pressure regulation, and balance and more.

 

[nothuman]

One thing to note is that you are measuring brachial BP with your cuff. Blood pressure of the vessels that feed your brain are determined by central BP though. Central systolic BP can differ quite a bit and BP meds can have differential effects on cental and brachial BP.

That being said, something else could be the cause as well. So eliminating and reintroducing supps is certainly a good idea.

Is there any way to measure that type of BP?

Was fine the last two days again. I still lean on the NO explanation but who knows. It could always come back since this has come and gone a lot. I just have to stick to what I've been doing the last couple of days.

You may or may not be aware, but one of the common side effects for telmisartan is dizziness.

Also here is something else worth looking into. I was getting similar dizziness and lightheaded feelings combined with weird feelings of anxiousness and nervousness. I narrowed this down to too much tuna consumption with high levels of Mercury.

Mercury is known to screw with a lot of functions in the brain, including anxiety, blood pressure regulation, and balance and more.

Yes I am aware but it would be odd if something I have taken for 4 years all of a sudden made me dizzy. I have titrated dosing up and down but haven't used any crazy amount by any stretch.

I didn't know that about mercury. I'll assess how much I consume. Thanks for putting that out there.

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Is there any way to measure that type of BP?

You could put the blood pressure cuff around your neck Just kidding ofc please don't do that lol. There is no way to check it at home unfortunately.

 

[nothuman]

You could put the blood pressure cuff around your neck Just kidding ofc please don't do that lol. There is no way to check it at home unfortunately.

I'll just pull a Jussie Smolett and put the cuff around my neck

 

[Brickshthouse79]

Yes, i do.

Ive tried countless supps. Ultimately, i think relora which lowers cortisol and cerebrolysin (most powerful nootropic that i believe exists) and long sessions of cardio have helped the best.

 

[danieltx]

I didn't see iron mentioned in this thread and I just saw this article on a woman from Dancing With The Stars. She had intense dizziness and brain fog and it ended up being iron deficiency anemia - **broken link removed**

 

[Pissbrainiac259]

ive been getting this for years...along with memory issues...but mine i believe is from clonzepam that im prescribed for anxiety.

You are correct sir. Well done.

other things that can cause it are auto immune defficiencies, which by looking at your posts and threads over the years you dont have....you BW seems on point as your ESR, CRP are in check.

ESR, CRP, D-dimer and other markers of systemic inflammation are essentially worthless except in TWO emergency conditions.

theres many things non-serious that can cause this symptom.

Again, you are correct sir. The DDx for this constellation of signs/sx's is widely varied.

i read once BP MED / SUPS can have an effect...idk how true that is[/QUOTE]

Once again, you are correct. :headbang:

 

[panzerfaust]

A while back someone on the board suggested taking Alpha lipoic acid 600mgs (which among other things is a glucose disposal agent), I started getting light headed especially when I worked out in the morning. Then he PM'd me and said don't forget to take your Biotin , That stopped the dizzyness as the biotin stabilizes your metabolism and it's also good for lots of other stuff. I noticed that some vitamin companies even combine the two compounds, I hope that makes some sense as I'm just repeating something I was told a few years ago..