Blood test results

lordsks · Jun 3, 2010

1st test came back. Some numbers are not looking good. Any help on raising HDL and Lower LDL. I take 3-4 G's of fish oil a day. Liv52, multi, ala, low dose asprin, stinging needle, hawthorne berry, (4) liver pills 4x's a day. I do zero cardio, and I should start adding that in. I donated blood about 1 1/2 moths ago, a double red. When they check the blood I was at 17.6 iron??

I blame the no cardio and heavy letro use to eliminate gyno as the problems for cholesterol levels.

Last cycle was 750 Test 5months Tren E 400 3 months drol kickstart HCG 250iu 2x's a week. Took 3 months off and just got back on this cycle about 2 months in. 1 G test 400 tren E 50mg dbol day. Only been running the Tren about 1 month.

I might need to start taking some Niacin.

Glucose, Serum 88 mg/dL 65-99 01
Uric Acid, Serum 3.8 mg/dL 2.4-8.2 01
BUN 14 mg/dL 5-26 01
Creatinine, Serum 1.19 mg/dL 0.76-1.27 01
eGFR >59 mL/min/1.73 >59 01
eGFR AfricanAmerican >59 mL/min/1.73 >59 01
Note: Persistent reduction for 3 months or more in an eGFR
<60 mL/min/1.73 m2 defines CKD. Patients with eGFR values
>/=60 mL/min/1.73 m2 may also have CKD if evidence of persistent
proteinuria is present. Additional information may be found at
www.kdoqi.org.
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 12 8-27 01
Sodium, Serum 138 mmol/L 135-145 01
Potassium, Serum 4.6 mmol/L 3.5-5.2 01
Chloride, Serum 101 mmol/L 97-108 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 24 mmol/L 20-32 01
Calcium, Serum 9.6 mg/dL 8.7-10.2 01
Phosphorus, Serum 3.8 mg/dL 2.5-4.5 01
Protein, Total, Serum 7.2 g/dL 6.0-8.5 01
Albumin, Serum 4.5 g/dL 3.5-5.5 01
Globulin, Total 2.7 g/dL 1.5-4.5 01
A/G Ratio 1.7 1.1-2.5 01
Bilirubin, Total 0.6 mg/dL 0.0-1.2 01
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 37 IU/L 25-150 01
LDH 187 IU/L 100-250 01
AST (SGOT) 41 HIGH IU/L 0-40 01
ALT (SGPT) 64 HIGH IU/L 0-55 01
GGT 9 IU/L 0-65 01
Iron, Serum 67 ug/dL 40-155 01
Cholesterol, Total 192 mg/dL 100-199 01
Triglycerides 195 HIGH mg/dL 0-149 01
HDL Cholesterol 8 LOW mg/dL >39 01
**Verified by repeat analysis**
According to ATP-III Guidelines, HDL-C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.
LDL Cholesterol Calc 145 HIGH mg/dL 0-99 01
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 24.0 HIGH ratio units 0.0-5.0 01
TSH 2.020 uIU/mL 0.450-4.500 01
Thyroxine (T4) 6.2 ug/dL 4.5-12.0 01
T3 Uptake 49 HIGH % 24-39 01
**Verified by repeat analysis**
Free Thyroxine Index 3.0 1.2-4.9 01
WBC 6.1 x10E3/uL 4.0-10.5 01
RBC 5.52 x10E6/uL 4.10-5.60 01
Hemoglobin 15.8 g/dL 12.5-17.0 01
Hematocrit 50.2 HIGH % 36.0-50.0 01
MCV 91 fL 80-98 01
MCH 28.6 pg 27.0-34.0 01
MCHC 31.5 LOW g/dL 32.0-36.0 01
RDW 14.9 % 11.7-15.0 01
Platelets 236 x10E3/uL 140-415 01
Neutrophils 51 % 40-74 01
Lymphs 37 % 14-46 01
Monocytes 7 % 4-13 01
Eos 4 % 0-7 01
Basos 1 % 0-3 01
Immature Cells 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.1 x10E3/uL 1.8-7.8 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.3 x10E3/uL 0.7-4.5 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 x10E3/uL 0.1-1.0 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.4 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.1 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.2 01
Immature Granulocytes 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 01
NRBC 01
Hematology Comments: 01
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.8 ng/mL 0.0-4.0 01
Roche ECLIA methodology.

Kevin666 · Jun 3, 2010

Yes, Niacin would be a good idea.

My Dr. just started me on Niaspan, I don't have numbers back yet, but it is supposed to both raise HDL and lower LDL.

Thebigone · Jun 3, 2010

3-4g fish oil is very low. You need to up that to 8-10g

gelatine · Jun 3, 2010

I don't think you have go any further than dropping the dbol and liver/lipids should be much better.

taslajrisi · Jun 3, 2010

stay away from orals. HDL will get killed. also, letro destroys hdl too. here are the top 10 things to raise HDL. Nolvadex is also good too and will protect against gyno.

exercise
lose BF
good fats
exercise first, eat fats later
cut down simple carbs
drink OJ
eat fiber
one dark beer or red wine
niacin

crashtestdummy · Jun 3, 2010

Bump on the fish oil and some light cardio.

Does your multi have iron? Get one without if it does.

lordsks · Jun 4, 2010

crashtestdummy said:
Bump on the fish oil and some light cardio.

Yes I'm going to start couple times a week. It's hard for me to gain weight and I never have problem losing fat.

Does your multi have iron? Get one without if it does.

It does, but it's not the "heme iron" I'm taking beverly internation liver pills, I wonder if I should stop, they have alot of iron in them ( along with alot of oyther good stuff)

gelatine said:
I don't think you have go any further than dropping the dbol and liver/lipids should be much better.

Will do.

Thebigone said:
3-4g fish oil is very low. You need to up that to 8-10g

Done

taslajrisi said:
stay away from orals. HDL will get killed. also, letro destroys hdl too. here are the top 10 things to raise HDL. Nolvadex is also good too and will protect against gyno.

exercise
lose BF
good fats
exercise first, eat fats later
cut down simple carbs
drink OJ
eat fiber
one dark beer or red wine
niacin

I have been taking nolva. at 10mg Ed during cycle along with .75mg's letro.
I think Nolva is my new best friend. I might pick up some aromasin as it isn't bad on lipids?

taslajrisi · Jun 4, 2010

google tamoxifen and lipids and you will find that it improves lipids a lot.
i know that letro destroys them and aromasin is supposed to not effect them
i take 10mg nolva pretty much every day.

lordsks · Jun 5, 2010

I could only image then if I wasn't taking Nolvadex. My hdl is 8! and ldl 145! I would be in the negatives if I haven't been taking it all along./ Just picked up some Niacin and some plant steriols.

5004paloma · Jun 10, 2010

Check out Policosanol. I've been researching it and it looks very promising for lipid support.

Cosmicdrifter · Jun 10, 2010

HDL is mostly genetic; exercise and diet change it a few points, but it is hard to do.

Now, there may be a miracle drug that has come out that raises HDL - if so, I would like to see the data on its results.

You can make dramatic changes in Cholesterol with statins or changing to a vegetarian diet, but generally HDL is hard to move. I know marathoners and triathletes that have lousy HDL/LDL ratios.

I have 25 years of bloodwork; my natural HDL is in the 85 range for a 2:1 ratio - a guarantee that you will never have a heart attach. When on a cycle, my HDL goes down to 40 - which is not awful but I lose all the longevity effect I now enjoy.

HDL is what clears your arteries; it is highly correlated with longevity. Most centenarians have HDL over 80.

The bad thing about staying "on" all the time or even most of the time is that arterial plaque is not removed. Most of the guys you see who have to take Viagra have low HDL. Low HDL is a symptom in premature senility as well.

I'm not trying to be negative, but if you are going to use AAS constantly, it needs to be an informed decision.

Thebigone · Jun 10, 2010

I would think it would be much more important to have low LDL and triglycerides than a higher HDL

summersgold · Jun 10, 2010

HDL

HDL is the most important one. Anyone with an HDL of 60 or higher is at almost no risk of coronary artery disease. When you are cycling on AAS there is no way to raise your HDL. The only thing you can do is take a statin and that will lower your LDL. Back in 2006 Pfizer tried to develop a drug that would increase HDL. It turned out to be a dud. More people on the drug died than were on the placebo. They spent almost 1 billion $ on the research. Merck and another big pharma are still working on developing a drug. If they do, that would just about eliminate heart disease as a major cause of death. Their profits would be staggering.

Emery · Jun 11, 2010

summersgold said:
HDL is the most important one. Anyone with an HDL of 60 or higher is at almost no risk of coronary artery disease. When you are cycling on AAS there is no way to raise your HDL. The only thing you can do is take a statin and that will lower your LDL. Back in 2006 Pfizer tried to develop a drug that would increase HDL. It turned out to be a dud. More people on the drug died than were on the placebo. They spent almost 1 billion $ on the research. Merck and another big pharma are still working on developing a drug. If they do, that would just about eliminate heart disease as a major cause of death. Their profits would be staggering.

^^^Agreed! Mike Matarazzo.... Heart attack in his 30s.

Liver enzymes elevated and cholesterol out of whack. These aren't good long term.

Are you a competitive bodybuilder? If not, I would reassess if my health is more important to me than my muscle/physique. My father had his first heart attack at 46 and had a triple bypass, at 50, he had another quadruple bypass. He is now almost 63 and healthy, but it took him a few years to figure out how to get his triglycerides and HDL/LDL in check. I wouldn't waste any time on figuring this out. Walking around with a sternum stapled together and a chest tube hanging out of your ribcage is no walk in the park!

Good luck and hope you get this figured out!

lordsks · Jun 11, 2010

Thanks for all the reply's guys. I'm defiantly taking this seriously. I used letro for 3 months @2.5mg's to try and eliminate gyno. I was off cycle for 8years and this was from past cycles with no PCT. I got surgery after this failed. I have no family members with any major health problems. I had blood work done for life insurance 2 years ago and my HDL was in the normal range, wish I still had the results.

Since the test came back I have been taking big steps in the right direction. 8g's fish oil day. Niacin 250mg's a day. Will up to 500mg's.( Niacin is supposed to increase HDL by 35%) Added cardio during the week. I think the Letro was the big factor as I ran it so long and at max dose. Even during this current cycle I have been running it @.75mg's a day. I have since stopped and gained 5lbs!. I uped the Nolvadex to 20mg's a day ( Nolvadex is supposed to help lipid profile) I also dropped the orals (dbol) I feel 100% better since making these changes. I will give it a month or so and run the blood work again.

lordsks · Jun 11, 2010

5004paloma said:
Check out Policosanol. I've been researching it and it looks very promising for lipid support.

Published studies have come to conflicting conclusions regarding the efficacy of policosanol in lowering LDL (i.e., "bad cholesterol") or raising HDL (i.e., "good cholesterol").[5][6][7] Despite a number of studies funded by the Cuban government, which produces and markets the drug,[8] no independent clinical trials have found any evidence of the efficacy of policosanol.[5]

I got some stuff that you take with your meals ( manly the ones with high cholesterol ) and it is supposed to block the absorption of cholesterol.

lordsks · Sep 25, 2010

UPDATE

Ok so 4 months later I got bloodwork again. Everything is in the normal range except my HDL. which is up 2 points.

I have been on cycle the whole time. Ran Primo 400mg's for 10 weeks, Proviron 50mg's ED for the last 3 months. Test at 750mg a week, up to 1.5g's for 3 weeks. Been on dbol for the last 2 weeks prior to this test. Nolvadex 10-20mg's ED, Aromasin 12.5mg's eod. I gave a double red blood donation about a month ago.

Been taking:

red rice yeast
plant sterols
8g's of fish oil a day.
2g's flax seed oil
alot of fiber
coQ10
NAC
LIV 52 DS 2x's a day.
taurine 2 g's a day
baby asprin morning
garlic pill at night
cardio 2x's a week.

In the pic the left side is the new test.
Going to cruise for a bit and get the HDL back in range. I thank everyone for there input and I was able to make some good changes. If I was able to get these numbers back on track while cycling the whole time I know when I cruise my numbers will look even better.

68 firebird · Sep 25, 2010

You mentioned you were increasing your Niacin to 500 mgs. My HDL was 11 and my physician put me on 500mgs to start and had been raising it every couple weeks. His intention is to take it to 2 grams/day. Food for thought. I also added 1 glass of red wine at bedtime. We'll see what happens.
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