Can Leucine Consumption Before Exercise Hinder Performance?

[Mike Arnold]

Mike arnold - what is your opinion on carnivor beef protein isolate vs true nutrition beef protein isolate vs Olympian labs beef protein isolate. I am a guy that is sensitive to whey and milk proteins and read a post by you suggesting beef protein. Also what's your opinion of Gemma pea?

Where are you doing a majority of your posting these days. I use to follow you on Blackstone labs. Thanks man hope all is well

Assuming they're all 100% pure hydrolyzed beef protein isolate, then they should all produce the same results. I haven't done any quality control research on any of the various brands. However, I will say I have tried Carnivore before--and it appears to be legit based simply on the appearance of the protein when mixed. Hyrolysates tend to mix up with water-like consistency--like kool-aide, almost.

I will also say that while I haven't tried TN's beef hydrolysate, I do get all my protein from them currently and everything has always been great.

I post all-over--about a dozen different sites.

 

[superbigd]

Mike any specific that you host a Q&A on? Also what's your opinion of Gemma pea protein

 

[BigNJ]

I was working with a coach who is pretty reputable (won't say his name, however he is an IFBB pro) and he has me consuming 5 grams of luecine between meals 2 and 3 and between meals 5 and 6. Along with that leucine, 5 grams of arginine as well. Also had it in my intra-workout shake. Just thought I would share this, to add on to Mike's consuming 2-3g leucine every 4 hours.

Thanks for the post Mike.

Interesting, so you pretty much take luecine and arginine 4 times a day?
Would you say the arginine keeps you pumped from your experience?

 

[bigcarlos]

[lang=es]great article, thank you very much.[/lang]

 

[richards-1]

great article

 

[Knight9]

I was working with a coach who is pretty reputable (won't say his name, however he is an IFBB pro) and he has me consuming 5 grams of luecine between meals 2 and 3 and between meals 5 and 6. Along with that leucine, 5 grams of arginine as well. Also had it in my intra-workout shake. Just thought I would share this, to add on to Mike's consuming 2-3g leucine every 4 hours.

Thanks for the post Mike.

Why would he and you opt for arginine when there is agmatine sulfate?

 

[LK3]

Why would he and you opt for arginine when there is agmatine sulfate?

alanine makes way more sense then arginine.

 

[superbigd]

Mike any specific that you host a Q&A on? Also what's your opinion of Gemma pea protein

bump for mike arnold

 

[xxxLGxxx]

Any difference with taking regular leucine versus leucine malate that I found sold on the cheap?

 

[flexdurden]

Any difference with taking regular leucine versus leucine malate that I found sold on the cheap?

The only thing with leucine malate is you have to know what the relationship is between the leucine is the malic acid. Sometimes it is a 1:1 ratio or 2:1 ratio... but you'll need to know what it is bonded at to ensure you have the effective amount of leucine

 

[p-lethal]

my coach (very reputable as well) has me taking leucine 10g twice per day along with l-arginine at 5,000mg twice per day.

i seriously dread taking my leucine everyday. i can't help but gag no matter how/what i mix it with. fucking gross

 

[xxxLGxxx]

The only thing with leucine malate is you have to know what the relationship is between the leucine is the malic acid. Sometimes it is a 1:1 ratio or 2:1 ratio... but you'll need to know what it is bonded at to ensure you have the effective amount of leucine

Thx Kris. It's the TN brand. So 2:1 at the outlet store

 

[Toast]

Abstract
The higher risk for amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) among professional soccer players, recently reported in Italy, has stimulated investigations in the search for environmental factors that may be at the origin of the increased susceptibility to the disease. Here we studied if high concentrations of branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs), widely used among athletes as dietary integrators to improve physical performance, may be related to an excitotoxic neuronal cell damage. Our results show that (i) high concentrations of BCAAs are neurotoxic and increase excitotoxicity in cortical neurons; (ii) neurotoxicity is brain area specific, being detected in cortical, but not in hippocampal neurons; (iii) it is related to NMDA receptor overstimulation, since it is abolished in the presence of MK-801, a specific NMDA channel blocker; (iv) it depends on the presence of astrocytes. We describe here a possible biological link between an environmental factor (high dietary intake of BCAAs) and the increased risk of ALS among soccer players.

This is potentially terrifying for a whole lot of people. The research seems to be mixed, though. In people already suffering ALS, BCAAs seem to slow down muscle wasting. The studies have had a pretty small sample size, but that was the general take home. I've also heard it said that athletes who use lots of BCAAs are more prone to developing ALS in the first place. Is this an issue with purity? Maybe a problem with co-supplementing BCAAs with something else makes some people more prone? Do you or anyone else in the know have any more info on this?

 

[xxxLGxxx]

my coach (very reputable as well) has me taking leucine 10g twice per day along with l-arginine at 5,000mg twice per day.



i seriously dread taking my leucine everyday. i can't help but gag no matter how/what i mix it with. fucking gross

Try flavoring it with crystal lite or truelemon?

 

[p-lethal]

Try flavoring it with crystal lite or truelemon?

yes but the problem is leucine does not disolve well but rather clumps up, plus the after taste...i just hold my nose and chase it down with water

 

[xxxLGxxx]

yes but the problem is leucine does not disolve well but rather clumps up, plus the after taste...i just hold my nose and chase it down with water

I find the malate version dissolves better. Plus I let mine sit for 10-15 minutes and all dissolved.

 

[p-lethal]

I find the malate version dissolves better. Plus I let mine sit for 10-15 minutes and all dissolved.

Cool man I'll give that a go next bottle


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