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Carbs At Night: Fat Loss Killer Or Imaginary Boogeyman? By Dr. Layne Norton

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I thought this was a very interesting article and would like to hear other's opinions.

Carbs At Night: Fat Loss Killer Or Imaginary Boogeyman?
By Dr. Layne Norton

Most fitness enthusiasts learn early on to treat late-night carbohydrates like a nightmare waiting to happen. But what does science—real science—have to say? The answer may surprise you.

There are quite a few things that everyone in the fitness industry "knows." You have to eat eight meals per day, consume 400g+ protein per day, do fasted cardio, lift heavy weights to bulk up and light weights with high reps to tone up ... oh wait, those are all broscience!

Don't get me wrong, bodybuilding and fitness have been on the cutting edge of many dietary and training interventions to which mainstream science is only now catching up. Unfortunately, the vetting process for many of these protocols isn't exactly stringent. Thus, many things become accepted as fact, when in reality they are broscience. The debate about whether or not it's okay to have carbs at night has been all but settled in the fitness industry. The consensus is: You simply can't consume a shred of carbohydrates at night or you will store fat faster than a vampire rises after sunset!

That is, according to many fitness "experts" out there, most of whose credentials are worth about as much as a thin sheet of slightly used one-ply toilet paper. In this article, I will look into this fitness factoid to determine if eating carbs at night is actually detrimental to your body composition or if it is all broscience.

So where did this "no carbs at night" thing come from?

In order to properly assess this fitness "fact," we need to understand why limiting carbs at night is recommended in the first place. Most "experts" who recommend limiting carbs at night do so because their assertion is that since you will be going to sleep soon, your metabolism will slow down and those carbohydrates will have a greater chance at being stored as fat compared to if they were consumed earlier in the day, where they would have a greater probability of being burned. This seems reasonable, but broscience always does. They also often assert that insulin sensitivity is reduced at night, shifting your carb-storing directionality towards fat and away from muscle.

Let's tackle the issue of metabolic rate slowing down at night time first. The logic behind this theory seems reasonable enough: You lie down in a bed and don't really move, just sleep, so obviously you are burning fewer calories than if you are awake doing stuff. Even if you are just sitting in a chair or couch resting, you have to burn more calories than just sleeping right?

At first glance this seems to jive with work from Katoyose et al. which showed that energy expenditure decreased during the first half of sleep approximately 35 percent.1 However, these researchers did show that during the latter half of sleep energy expenditure significantly increased associated with REM sleep. So, there are rises and falls in sleeping metabolic rate (SMR), but what is the overall effect? Interestingly, at the very least it does not appear that the average overall energy expenditure during sleep is any different than resting metabolic rate (RMR) during the day.2,3 Additionally, it appears that exercise increases sleeping metabolic rate significantly, leading to greater fat oxidation during sleep.4 This seems to be in line with data from Zhang et al. which demonstrated that obese individuals had sleeping metabolic rates lower than their resting metabolic rates, whereas lean individuals had sleeping metabolic rates significantly greater than their resting metabolic rate.3 So unless you are obese, not only does your metabolism not slow down during sleep, it actually increases!

The idea that you should avoid carbs at night because your metabolism slows down and you won't "burn them off" definitely doesn't pass the litmus test.

So the whole "don't eat carbs at night" thing is definitely broscience, right?

So far, the fear of carbs at night certainly smells like broscience, but before we render a verdict, let's examine things further. There is also the issue of insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance to address. This is where things get interesting. Compared to morning meals, levels of blood glucose and blood insulin definitely remain elevated longer with evening meals.5,6 Aha! There it is, proof, that you shouldn't consume carbs at night right? Not so fast. Though insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance appear to be worse at night compared to a morning meal, it is important to keep in mind that a morning meal is after an overnight fast and the fast may improve insulin sensitivity. Perhaps a more fair comparison is a mid-day meal vs. a nighttime meal. In this case there is actually no difference in insulin sensitivity or glucose tolerance.5

Therefore, it appears that insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance are not necessarily impaired at night, but rather are merely enhanced by an overnight fast.

Does any of this science mumbo jumbo actually make a difference?

While it is great to talk about mechanisms and nitpick every intricate detail about metabolism, at the end of the day, we have to examine whether or not any of this stuff makes any difference. Fortunately for us, a recent study published in the Journal of Obesity examined this very question.7 Researchers from Israel put people on a calorically restricted diet for six months and split them into two groups, a control group and an experimental group. Each group consumed the same amount of calories, protein, carbohydrates, and fat but they distributed their carbohydrate intake very differently. One group (control) ate carbs throughout the day, whereas the experimental group consumed the majority of their carbohydrate intake (approximately 80 percent of the total) at the night. What they found after six months may shock you.

Not only did the experimental group consuming the majority of their carbs at night lose significantly more weight and bodyfat than the control group, they also experienced better satiety and less hunger!

Whoa, hold up. Less hunger? I don't buy it.

You heard me right, they were less hungry. Now I'm sure all of you that have been following typical fitness protocols where you eat six times per day and have most of your carbs earlier in the day are thinking, "Man, if I went more than 2-3 hours without carbs, I'd be starving!" Well, my friends, you are buying into a vicious cycle. Let me explain: When you eat small amounts of carbs frequently, you are basically titrating in glucose to your system.

To dispose of this glucose, your body releases insulin to drive blood glucose into cells. Over-secretion of insulin, however, may cause hunger to rise (typically about 2-3 hours post meal, the approximate time course of an insulin response), but—no problem—you are eating every 2-3 hours anyway, right? Just titrate in some more glucose. Unfortunately this makes you crave and consume glucose like clockwork. It tricks many people into thinking that they need carbs every 2-3 hours or they would be hungry when, in fact, the opposite is true.

If you ate carbs less frequently with more time between carb dosings, you would be less hungry because your own body would ramp up systems that deal with endogenous glucose production, and keep your blood glucose steady. When you consume carbs every 2-3 hours however this system of glucose production (gluconeogenesis) becomes chronically down regulated and you must rely on exogenous carb intake to maintain your blood glucose levels. Now if you transition from eating carbs every 2-3 hours to further apart for the first few days you may be hungry until your body has adjusted to using gluconeogenesis to maintain blood glucose rather than just eating carbs every 2-3 hours, but once you do adjust, you will find that you are far less hungry.

Bringing things full circle, this is exactly what the researchers found! These subjects were hungrier in the first week of the diet compared to 90 and 180 days into the diet where they were much more satiated.

Control group

So what's the explanation for the nighttime carb group losing more body fat and being more satiated than the control group (maybe we should call them the "bro" group)? The researchers postulated that more favorable shifts in hormones may be the difference. The baseline insulin values in the experimental group eating the majority of carbs at night were significantly lower than those eating carbs during the day.7 So much for carbs at night decreasing insulin sensitivity, right? Additionally, the experimental group had much higher levels of adiponectin, a hormone associated with increased insulin sensitivity and fat burning. They also trended toward slightly higher leptin levels. Furthermore, the nighttime carb munchers had lower levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol and higher levels of HDL (good) cholesterol.

Overall, the people eating the majority of their carbs at night lost more bodyfat and had better markers of health by the end of the study than those who ate more of their carbs during the day.

So what's the verdict?

I am not ready to say that we should all be eating the majority of our carbs at night. I would like to see this study repeated but with a bolus amount of carbs eaten at one meal in the morning to properly compare it to the single high carb meal at night, whereas the previous study compared a bolus night time carb meal vs. several feedings of carbs throughout the day. It may very well be that the beneficial effects of the diet in this study was more associated with limiting carb dosing (and insulin secretion) to a single bolus rather than spreading them throughout the day.

However, I think what can be said with relative certainly is the notion that consuming carbohydrates at night will lead to more fat gain, or impair fat loss compared to consuming them at other times of the day, is false. Write it down: "Don't eat carbs at night, bro" has officially been busted as broscience!
 
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I'd argue its not bro science. Some people just aren't lucky to have the metabolism that allows them to eat carbs often or better yet late at night. Its just like cardio. In theory no one should ever need to do cardio just drop 500+ calories a day out of your diet but in most real world practice it doesn't work out too well and cardio is infact needed to get cut.

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Funnily enough I read this article just yesterday. I've never had any issues with carbs before bed. The way I see it if you eat a set amount of carbs every day that doesn't overspill glycogen its not going to matter when you eat them as there going to go to glycogen regardless. I used to eat all my carbs pre bed to help me sleep ( about 300g at the time) and go carbless all day. If anything I leaned out a bit. Didn't wake up to piss either which was great:)

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I notice the same thing when eating my carbs before bed i do not get up to pee.
 
One thing about Norton is that he will always try to go against the grain on pretty much everything. And when you call him out on it he will argue that he is a doctor and he can post scientific studies and you cant :rolleyes:
 
I might get slammed for this but i think Layne is one of the top MINDS in this sport. The man knows his shit and especially about proteins and amino acids. I know he has rubbed some people raw in the past with his natural vs steroid users mentality, but he knows his shit. Layne never seems to have ulterior motives like some of the "GURUS" in the industry.
 
I guess every bodybuilder since Arnold's days has been wrong and this idiot has discovered something profound:rolleyes:
 
Id rather be some what carb depleted during the day, and carbs around workout and bed. Carbs raise serotonin and lower cortisol so you sleep better....just make sure you dont eat to much...this is coming from a carb sensitive naturally fat boy. I dont get fatter, nor does it prevent fat loss.
 
I guess every bodybuilder since Arnold's days has been wrong and this idiot has discovered something profound:rolleyes:

"Idiot" is a pretty harsh word considering the guy's credentials, but we are all entitled to our opinions.

As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one :)
 
I make the best gains having a mass gainer shake before bed, but got told the other day I was packing timber so it was the first thing to go until i trim up a bit
 
Weren't there "doctors" back in the days who said Steroids don't build muscle?

I don't need to read this article to know it's pure bullshit and majorly flawed somewhere.

I'm a true ectomorph with a very high metabolism, and even I noticed that my waistline got thicker when I eat lots of carbs at night before I go to bed.

When I limit my carb or cut it out completely from my last meal, I lose fat around my mid section without doing ANY cardio!

By the way, this article failed to mention one very important factor in fat accumulation: Insulin spike.

Insulin has anabolic properties: for muscle as well as fat (basic human physiology 101).

So if someone eats tons of carb at night and then goes to sleep, that insulin spike is going to stay high longer... hmmm... guess what is going to happen? More protein synthesis as well as FAT synthesis.

Edit: Another effect of insulin is it decreases lipolysis (fat breakdown). This basically means insulin will DECREASE fat loss!

But good luck to the people who want to lose fat by eating more carbs at night! :D
 
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"Idiot" is a pretty harsh word considering the guy's credentials, but we are all entitled to our opinions.

As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one :)

I've just never cared for the guy personaly. He's an attention seeker and over-complicates things to make it seem that anyone who isn't a doctor should listen to him because of course him being a doctor makes him smarter than anyone who isn't.

His theory doesn't take into account varying metabolisms and individual genetic makeup. I am an endomorph and trust me carbs before bed time will absolutely pile the fat on me, been there done that. Also his theory is almost completely invalid to most guys on this forum because we are all juiced up pretty good. A gram of tren a week and 10 iu of Eli's and of course you can slam carbs before bed and stay lean, but take the hormones out of the picture and all that goes out the window. At least for me it does.:)
 
I think JM could chime in. I remember reading i think on his in the trenches article about his prep he consumed carbs before bed. I also think Layne was implying say a sweet potato or some rice before bed not "slamming" carbs before bed. I personally have 1 cup of basmati rice w my last meal and sleep great and wake up once to piss so it is worth it there alone :)
 
I think JM could chime in. I remember reading i think on his in the trenches article about his prep he consumed carbs before bed. I also think Layne was implying say a sweet potato or some rice before bed not "slamming" carbs before bed. I personally have 1 cup of basmati rice w my last meal and sleep great and wake up once to piss so it is worth it there alone :)

Hey, at the very least, if it will help my sleep and keep me from pissing 3-4 times during the night then it's worth trying :D
 
Well guys, love me or hate me, I got my leanest I've ever been this summer consuming a boatload of carbs right before bed. Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 200 grams. Now, I considered it more "backloading", as I worked out the following morning around 10-11am, roughly 12 hours after the carb load. You can see the proof in the pudding in the members photo section, or the judges critique thread. Not saying I agree with this guy in every way, but this is what worked for me. (And I'm no ectomorph lol)
 
So if someone eats tons of carb at night and then goes to sleep, that insulin spike is going to stay high longer...

Actually, the definition of a "spike" itself implies that said spike doesn't stay long in the bloodstream...

High carbs > massive increase in blood glucose levels (BGL) > insulin spike > decrease in BGL

Insulin doesn't make you fat. Elevated BGL all day long do.

Layne's article makes a lot of sense in many ways.
 
I guess every bodybuilder since Arnold's days has been wrong and this idiot has discovered something profound:rolleyes:

You can achieve a great physique doing many things wrong. It doesn't mean you couldn't have done it doing things differently... and much more easily.

As for the term "idiot", well... :rolleyes:
 
Well guys, love me or hate me, I got my leanest I've ever been this summer consuming a boatload of carbs right before bed. Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 200 grams. Now, I considered it more "backloading", as I worked out the following morning around 10-11am, roughly 12 hours after the carb load. You can see the proof in the pudding in the members photo section, or the judges critique thread. Not saying I agree with this guy in every way, but this is what worked for me. (And I'm no ectomorph lol)

Maybe you're a Trenomorph :p.
 
Actually, the definition of a "spike" itself implies that said spike doesn't stay long in the bloodstream...

High carbs > massive increase in blood glucose levels (BGL) > insulin spike > decrease in BGL

Insulin doesn't make you fat. Elevated BGL all day long do.

Layne's article makes a lot of sense in many ways.

I have never used insulin, so I don't have first hand experience regarding whether or not it would make someone fat, but based on the science articles that I have came across, insulin increases fat synthesis and slows down fat breakdown (lipolysis):

Insulin effects in muscle and adipose tissue.
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21864752):

"The major effects of insulin on muscle and adipose tissue are:...
(2) Lipid metabolism:
(a) it decreases the rate of lipolysis in adipose tissue and hence lowers the plasma fatty acid level,
(b) it stimulates fatty acid and triacylglycerol synthesis in tissues,
(c) it increases the uptake of triglycerides from the blood into adipose tissue and muscle,
(d) it decreases the rate of fatty acid oxidation in muscle and liver.

These insulin effects serve to encourage the synthesis of carbohydrate, fat and protein, therefore, insulin can be considered to be an anabolic hormone."
 
I think JM could chime in. I remember reading i think on his in the trenches article about his prep he consumed carbs before bed. I also think Layne was implying say a sweet potato or some rice before bed not "slamming" carbs before bed. I personally have 1 cup of basmati rice w my last meal and sleep great and wake up once to piss so it is worth it there alone :)

From my understanding, JM was simply stating that quick carbs will get your blood sugar levels back down rather quickly so they won't be elevated throughout the night during sleep etc. He also believes in the increased serotonin released from ingesting them, thus allowing you to relax and be comfortable and fall asleep easier.
Remember his philosophy is often paired with a carb-less breakfast so in theory you start burning fat throughout the night and keep burning it into the day without having it halted by carbs at breakfast.

I think his theories go hand in hand and really compliment eachother in this regard. Burn fat during sleep and throughout the day and enjoy your nights!
 

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