Christian Thibaudeau or Chad Waterbury's philosophy ?

[chipdouglas]

I know a good deal about Thibaudeau, but can't seem to get about Chad Waterbury. I'm sure some of you seasoned BB'ers have been then done that. I'm still green next to you so, I'd like to know which one of these gentlemen's advice is going to lead me to both lean mass gain and fat loss ?



Thanks in advance

 

[RazorCuts]

Chad is more about full body routines. He has some good ideas and has some good mass routines. I know he used to be big into high sets low reps like 10x3. You can go over to T-Nation and check out many articles as he has books out also.

 

[morepain]

i have some female friends that have trained with chad...he is very much of the "too miuch muscle is jsut not attractive" both for men and women. So if you want to look like a succesful MMa athlete (which he does alot of) or a really fit guy than he is your man. If you want to be as muscular as possible honestly (and i don't just kiss ass for the sake of it) but just pay Phil ...crap the guy is dirt cheap for the service he provides and knows how to lay on slabs of msucle. As far as Thibs...he lost all credibility with this I, BB crap and the "perfect rep".

 

[chipdouglas]

i have some female friends that have trained with chad...he is very much of the "too miuch muscle is jsut not attractive" both for men and women. So if you want to look like a succesful MMa athlete (which he does alot of) or a really fit guy than he is your man. If you want to be as muscular as possible honestly (and i don't just kiss ass for the sake of it) but just pay Phil ...crap the guy is dirt cheap for the service he provides and knows how to lay on slabs of msucle. As far as Thibs...he lost all credibility with this I, BB crap and the "perfect rep".

The perfect rep is sheer crap ? Mind you, I read about this far fetched method yesterday and I'm still under shock so to say, that is, it's WAY unconventional. The question on my mind is : would the guy put his good name in jeopardy if it didn't work ? I'm confused about him just like you are.

 

[morepain]

i'm not confused at all....thibs made a big mistake when he started down that road , he has hung his reputation on it and its going to ruin his rep with any knowledgable guys. There is nothing wrong wiht any of it really but the fact taht they make it out to be some kind of genious revolutionary concept is ridiculous....of course it only works properly with the "Anaconda Protocol" Jesus give me a break. I use ALOT of biotests supps, to the tune of 20k over 5 years , they have always exhibited integrity and fought against teh bullshit ads of people like muscletech adn teh like....now they are far worse than msucletech coud ever hope to be. how many top guys in BB has Thibs trained? hint its significantly lower than 1 ... there are several guys on this board much more suitable to helping you...dollar for dollar my money is on Phil

 

[chipdouglas]

i'm not confused at all....thibs made a big mistake when he started down that road , he has hung his reputation on it and its going to ruin his rep with any knowledgable guys. There is nothing wrong wiht any of it really but the fact taht they make it out to be some kind of genious revolutionary concept is ridiculous....of course it only works properly with the "Anaconda Protocol" Jesus give me a break. I use ALOT of biotests supps, to the tune of 20k over 5 years , they have always exhibited integrity and fought against teh bullshit ads of people like muscletech dn teh like....now they are far worse than msucletech coud ever hope to be. how many top guys in BB has Thibs trained?hint its significantly lower than 1 ... there are several guys on this board much more suitable to helping you...dollar for dollar my money is on Phil

I agree with what you wrote. When I first saw that Anaconda protocol, my BS meter went crazy. I'm highly disappointed in the new approach that T-Nation/Biotest has taken. Having said that, would you rate Biotest products as being top notch ? I've used other brands, but have been told to go with Biotest.

Who's Phil ? While I'm a member here, I seldom have time to log on, thus I'm not familiar with the big names on here.

Thanks

 

[morepain]

PHIL HERNON....top guy in his day and now trains people via internet consultation...hernonspantry.com i think ... last time i checked he only charged $250 for a years worth of priceless advice.

Yes alot of the stuff biotest makes is top notch for sure, i know some will scream about that but it really is. I have spent a ton of cash there. I believe for instance their Flameout is by far the best fish oil on the planet, they are the only one that i know of that have the DHA/EPA ratio correct. Also their metabolic drive is premium protein and i have never tasted anything that good even in water. That being said i am in process of working with trueprotein.com to swithc over primarily becasue of the bullshit marketing that Biotest has started promoting. Its really sad to tell you the truth.

 

[ScottMcD1]

I used to love Metabolic Drive but the cost was just too much for me, tasted like dessert. I'm sure their new stuff works... but the same can be had for less elsewhere. It takes a lot of balls to charge 80 dollars for 2 lbs of pepto pro with some cirtulline malate in it haha.

Morepain what products are you looking into at TP? I recognize you from T-nation( do you still post there?), would be glad to help if you need some assistance at that site.

 

[morepain]

THANKS! i just emailed them and gave them a list of what i was using and they made recommendations...very helpful guys there ... i am still registered at t-nation but don't post anymore. I had several talks privately with TC about all this.

 

[Trainwreck80]

THANKS! i just emailed them and gave them a list of what i was using and they made recommendations...very helpful guys there ... i am still registered at t-nation but don't post anymore. I had several talks privately with TC about all this.

What did he say? How did he justify it?

 

[chipdouglas]

PHIL HERNON....top guy in his day and now trains people via internet consultation...hernonspantry.com i think ... last time i checked he only charged $250 for a years worth of priceless advice.

Yes alot of the stuff biotest makes is top notch for sure, i know some will scream about that but it really is. I have spent a ton of cash there. I believe for instance their Flameout is by far the best fish oil on the planet, they are the only one that i know of that have the DHA/EPA ratio correct. Also their metabolic drive is premium protein and i have never tasted anything that good even in water. That being said i am in process of working with trueprotein.com to swithc over primarily becasue of the bullshit marketing that Biotest has started promoting. Its really sad to tell you the truth.

Thanks for the info on Phil....I'll look him up.

As regards Biotest marketing BS, I hear you ! I'm high on principles as well when it comes to such things.

 

[morepain]

What did he say? How did he justify it?

HE DIDN;T REALLY...he mentioned something about it and i said ...i could really care less about I, BB or anaconda or any of that crap becasue we both know there is no magic formula....lift hard , eat well, repeat for many years. TC is really a great guy so i don't blame him for defending his company but deep down i think he knows its crap. He's too smart to not know it. WEhen they first started talking about it they said it was "the fastest method ever documneted for putting on muscle". I said " umm hold on a second what about "the colorado experiment" with casey Viator and Arthur jones n the 70's. Not only were the results beter but the whole point was jones showing that you didnt need ANY special supps of any kind. The fact is you can accelrate growth over the SHORT TERM but sustainable grwoth at that rate does not even happen with massive drug protocols so i aam pretty sure it won;t happen with "anaconda" and "I BB". Besides we are goin on 4 weeks here and i have yet to see any person show up with 20 lbs of new mass, apparently at any moment there will be a bunch of new IFBB pros thanks to "the anaconda protocol"

 

[Trainwreck80]

HE DIDN;T REALLY...he mentioned something about it and i said ...i could really care less about I, BB or anaconda or any of that crap becasue we both know there is no magic formula....lift hard , eat well, repeat for many years. TC is really a great guy so i don't blame him for defending his company but deep down i think he knows its crap. He's too smart to not know it. WEhen they first started talking about it they said it was "the fastest method ever documneted for putting on muscle". I said " umm hold on a second what about "the colorado experiment" with casey Viator and Arthur jones n the 70's. Not only were the results beter but the whole point was jones showing that you didnt need ANY special supps of any kind. The fact is you can accelrate growth over the SHORT TERM but sustainable grwoth at that rate does not even happen with massive drug protocols so i aam pretty sure it won;t happen with "anaconda" and "I BB". Besides we are goin on 4 weeks here and i have yet to see any person show up with 20 lbs of new mass, apparently at any moment there will be a bunch of new IFBB pros thanks to "the anaconda protocol"

It may have been a good business move for all the immature high school and college kids that infest that site and buy everything anyone says in their articles and forums but I think they've lost the older (more experienced?) crowd. It was a bad move overall in my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong though. It just seems to underhanded for my taste.