College Baseball Pitcher - Need Advice

Hydronic · Jun 23, 2005

Hi there,

I am a collegiate pitcher and throw somewhat hard for my small size (5' 10", 170lbs) but unfortunately 88mph really doesnt separate me from the rest. I would like to increase my mph for my upcoming draft season and figured a good place to garner some mph is the weight room. I've never really been involved in a supplement regimen other than protein shakes after workouts and creatine for a few weeks.

Just in case you guys didnt already know, fast twitch muscle fibers significantly correspond to velocity gains and i was just curious if y'all could suggest the best possible supplements for gaining some lean "quick" (not bulky) muscle.

I've been talking to a powerlifter lately and he knows what i want and has made the following suggestions for supplements to try: M1-P, Winstrol, and ZMA for its "deep sleep" effect. Of course, these would not be taken simultaneously but were just individual recommendations. I was personally interested in the effects of Maxteron as well.

Any thoughts on the aforementioned and supplements/anabolics to use instead/in addition to would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Triguy · Jun 23, 2005

1. know the who, what, where about NCAA testing procedures.
2. due to testing I would stick to fast acting androgens
test prop, test undeconate (may or may not be), test suspension. Just use this at a low dose to increase strength, recovery & minimize non-functional muscle gain.
3. look into gh, igf

hire a kick as strength coach (think "athletes performance center")and just get not only strong but powerful! Pitching is a whole body movement, its more than just having a fast arm.

xcelbeyond · Jun 23, 2005

I'd avoid winstrol - it's too hard on your joints (shoulders, elbows, knuckles).

DOGMA · Jun 23, 2005

Reconsider. I have been there.

Anabolics are not gonna help you throw harder. You could easily gain enough weight thru natural training and eating properly if the weight is what you think is limiting your throwing speed. Anabolics would only possibly give you better recovery after your workouts and games. My advise? get better instruction. Ie professional pitching coach and spend more time in the weight room. You get tagged as a USER now your through, at your age you dont even need the anabolics. The risk to benifit ratio does not make sense to me.

mammoth · Jun 23, 2005

DOGMA said:
Anabolics are not gonna help you throw harder. You could easily gain enough weight thru natural training and eating properly if the weight is what you think is limiting your throwing speed. Anabolics would only possibly give you better recovery after your workouts and games. My advise? get better instruction. Ie professional pitching coach and spend more time in the weight room. You get tagged as a USER now your through, at your age you dont even need the anabolics. The risk to benifit ratio does not make sense to me.

I agree! AAS is not going to make your fastball faster. That is all in the mechanics of your pitch. Get a pitching coach. If anything, AAS may slow your pitch due to possible weight gain. You could try a high volume program with emphasis on burst movements, but I think the best is to have your pitch evaluated by a pitching coach.

rAJJIN · Jun 23, 2005

See Ive always wondered this same thing for Boxers...
I always tell my partner (who is a pro..fought Ray mercer, Audley Harrison
and some pretty decent money fights) That im just not sure what He`d want
or how much theyd do for him??

If it can help The Homerun kings Hit harder..Why couldnt it help this guy throw faster?

I understand and somewhat agree with whats been said so Far..BUT Im just trying to look at it from Both sides.

If nothing else it seems like it could help his endurance and ability to keep throwing hard thr-out the game? Just like they do for us...they allow you to do more and keep going when you probably shouldnt normally be able to?

rAJJIN · Jun 23, 2005

Hydronic said:
Just in case you guys didnt already know, fast twitch muscle fibers significantly correspond to velocity gains and i was just curious if y'all could suggest the best possible supplements for gaining some lean "quick" (not bulky) muscle.

I've been talking to a powerlifter lately and he knows what i want and has made the following suggestions for supplements to try: M1-P, Winstrol, and ZMA for its "deep sleep" effect. Of course, these would not be taken simultaneously but were just individual recommendations. I was personally interested in the effects of Maxteron as well.

Any thoughts on the aforementioned and supplements/anabolics to use instead/in addition to would be great.

Thanks in advance.

As far as Fast acting that will help you gain some lean muscle heres what comes to mind for me..Im sure others will correct if Im wrong or have other suggestions. As said above though the main thing Id worry about
is the testing and be Damn sure you know what your getting into
Id hate to see you Blow what youve already got (must be pretty good atleast to oitch on college level) Over a hot test! Always consider the risk Vs. reward.

Ill see if I can dig up some active lives and detection times for ya also.
Id do like your doing and learn as much as possable from every sourse of info you can find and be certain before just starting anything up

rAJJIN · Jun 23, 2005

The purpose of this thread is to provide some basic information on frontloading, including an explanation of half-lives, differences across esters, and recommended frontloading dosages.

HALF-LIFE BASICS

Each compound includes an ester that, along with other factors, controls the release of the hormone into the system. The rate of release differs by ester and is defined in terms of half-life. The average half-lives of esters are:

ESTER HALF LIFE (days)
Formate 1.5
Acetate 3
Propionate 4.5
Butyrate 6
Valerate 7.5
Hexanoate 9
Caproate 9
Isocaproate 9
Heptanoate 10.5
Enanthate 10.5
Octanoate 12
Cypionate 12
Nonanoate 13.5
Decanoate 15
Undecanoate 16.5

The half-life is the length of time (in days) to release half of the hormone into the system. For example, if 500 mgs of Testosterone Cypionate is administered, in 12 days, on average, 250 mgs of testosterone has been released into the system and 250 mgs of testosterone remains attached to the ester. In another 12 days, an additional 125 mgs (half of the remaining 250 mgs) has been released into the system for a total of 375 mgs released and 125 mgs still attached to the ester. The key detail is that different esters release the hormone into the system at different rates. Therefore, different esters require different frontload dosages.

FRONTLOADING

The purpose of frontloading is to quickly reach the target dosage to more quickly realize the benefits of the AAS. This thread provides instructions to reach 75% of the weekly dosage within the first week

Most people use, as a rule of thumb, twice the weekly dosage (double dosing) in the first week. That works well for esters with a half-life of 10.5 days or less. However, this does not work well for longer esters. Let’s look at EQ as an example. If the intended weekly dosage is 600 mgs, then the frontload dosage, based on double dosing, is 1200 mgs. Although 50% of the intended dosage is reached in the first week, 75% of the intended dosage is not reached until week 4. Without any frontloading, 75% of the intended dosage is reached in week 5. So, while ‘double dosing’ works, the effects diminish with increasing half-life.

EQ Double Dose Values at 600 mgs (1200 mgs in Week 1)

No Frontload
Released… % of Target
Week 1 153… 25%
Week 2 267… 44%
Week 3 352… 59%
Week 4 415… 69%
Week 5 462… 77%
Week 6 497… 83%

Double Dosing
Released… % of Target
Week 1 306… 51%
Week 2 381… 63%
Week 3 437… 73%
Week 4 478… 80%
Week 5 509… 85%
Week 6 532… 89%

The following table includes frontloading dosage to reach 75% of the intended dosage by the end of the first week. The dosages are indexed at 100 mgs / week. To reach your intended dosage, simply multiply the frontload dosage by your weekly dosage divided by 100. For example, if you wanted to run Testosterone Cypionate at 800 mgs / wk, then multiply the frontload dosage of 225 mgs by 8 (800 / 100) for 1800 mgs in week 1.

ESTER FRONTLOAD DOSAGE(mgs)
Formate 100
Acetate 100
Propionate 115
Butyrate 130
Valerate 160
Hexanoate 180
Caproate 180
Isocaproate 180
Heptanoate 200
Enanthate 200
Octanoate 225
Cypionate 225
Nonanoate 250
Decanoate 270
Undecanoate 295

The calculation used is MgDL = MgD * (1/2)^(D/HL), where:

MgDL = Mgs of depot left
MgD = Mgs in depot (total)
D = Days
H = Half-life

Injections for Formate and Acetate are daily. Injections for Propianate are every other day. Injections for Butyrate are every 3 days. All other esters are administered as one injection at the beginning of the week 1. It should be noted that injection frequency does not significantly influence frontloading dosages.

rAJJIN · Jun 23, 2005

Detection times

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rAJJIN · Jun 23, 2005

detection times

Detection time

.: How long do steroids stay detectable in your system?

This, of course, depends on the actual substance (amount and type) and the person using them. Steroids can remain detectable in a persons system anywhere from 1 week to over a year after use. For the most popular substances like nandrolone (deca, testosterona), one year is the usual time that they could actually be detected. For injectable testosterone, between 3-6 months is commonly sufficient. Luckily, for steroid users, the cost of a steroid test is very expensive (heard its $280) and hardly ever done. If you are being tested for "drugs" 99% of the time a steroid test is not done. Random tests for college sports will test for them though (the cost is probably why they are random). People usually worry more than they should though. Even though a drug "can" be detectable, a lot of times they aren't.

Detection Times

These detection times were taken from different sources. This table is for informational purposes only.

TRADE NAME SUBSTANCE DETECTION TIME
DECA - DURABOLIN
NORANDREN
DECA-DURABOL
DECA - DURABOL
TURINABOL DEPOT
ANABOLICUM NANDROLONE DECANOATE 17 - 18 MONTHS
DURABOLIN
TURINABOL
FENOBOLIN
ANABOLIN NANDROLONE PHENYLPROPIONATE 11 - 12 MONTHS
ULTRAGAN 100
MAXIGAN
GANABOL
EQUIPOISE
EQUIGAN BOLDENONE UNDECYLENATE 4 - 5 MONTHS
TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE 3 MONTHS
PRIMOTESTON DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE 200 DEPOT
TESTOSTERONE HYPTYLATE
TESTOSTERONA 200
TESTOSTERONE DEPOT TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 3 MONTHS
STEN
SUSTANON 250
SOSTENON 250
DURATESTON 250 TESTOSTERONE MIXES 3 MONTHS
ANADROL 50
ANAPOLON
OXYBOLONE
OXYMETHOLONE
HEMOGENIN OXYMETHOLONE 2 MONTHS
STENOX
HALOTESTIN FLUOXYMESTERONE 2 MONTHS
NILEVAR NORETHANDROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS
PROVIRON MESTEROLONE 5 - 6 WEEKS
PARABOLAN TREMBOLONE HEXAHYDROBENZYLCARBONATE 4 - 5 WEEKS
FINAJECT
FINJET
FINAPLIX TREMBOLONE ACETATE 4 - 5 MONTHS
PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT (INJECTABLE) METHENOLONE ENANTHATE 4 - 5 WEEKS
ANAVAR
LIPIDEX
OXANDROLONE SPA OXANDROLONE 3 WEEKS
TESOSTERONA 25/ 50
TESTOVIRON TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE 2 WEEKS
ANDRIOL TESTOSTERONE UNDECONOATE 1 WEEK
SPIROPENT
NOVEGAM
OXYFLUX CLENBUTEROL 4 - 5 DAYS