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Combining insulin with HGH?

Homer

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What is the limit, in general,as to how long one should use insulin? I am about to start HGH at 4iu for 125 days 2am/2pm and would like to add Humalog to the cycle postworkout. Would it be ok to use insulin for the whole period or just 4 weeks? How long is too long?
Another question: If I do the insulin postworkout with a protein/carb shake at say 7:30 how long do I have to wait to do my evening HGH injection? Should the HGH be before or after the evening meal, or does it matter?
Thanks in advance for any opinions.
 
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I found that the timing of the GH administration doesn't matter.

I personally like to do 4 weeks with insulin/gh followed by 4 weeks of gh then repeat. The 4 weeks of gh alone will get rid of the fat accumulated during the previous 4 weeks with the gh and insulin.
 
ok, so 4 on and 4 off. Makes sense.
In using Humalog over R I'm hoping the duration will be short enough so that I can inject at 7:30 and after a shake and a meal be able to safely go to bed at 9:30-10:00. Does this sound reasonable?
Lastly, Does it matter if the HGH is injected close to the insulin or is it better to have 1-2 hours between the two?
Thanks again!
 
Homer said:
ok, so 4 on and 4 off. Makes sense.
In using Humalog over R I'm hoping the duration will be short enough so that I can inject at 7:30 and after a shake and a meal be able to safely go to bed at 9:30-10:00. Does this sound reasonable?
Lastly, Does it matter if the HGH is injected close to the insulin or is it better to have 1-2 hours between the two?
Thanks again!

I never liked log as you can crash before you even have a chance to have your maltodextrin. But yes, you are correct in your timing assumptions.
I only like R. Second and final peak of R is about 2 hours after the shot. If you eat plenty at that 2 hour mark, you can safely go to bed after that meal.
 
Ive always figured that, if you use slin for 1-2 doses/meal-nutrient absorptions ED, you still have many hours where your pancreas has to produce insulin naturally for those other meals. This should prevent severe insulin resistance. But you never know how much it may effect sensitivity. So I agree with a time off, but I dont think your feedback shuts down like the HPTA will when there is high CONSTANT blood levels of hormone.
I have no studies that back this up, just kind of makes sense. :confused:
 
MikeS said:
Ive always figured that, if you use slin for 1-2 doses/meal-nutrient absorptions ED, you still have many hours where your pancreas has to produce insulin naturally for those other meals. This should prevent severe insulin resistance. But you never know how much it may effect sensitivity. So I agree with a time off, but I dont think your feedback shuts down like the HPTA will when there is high CONSTANT blood levels of hormone.
I have no studies that back this up, just kind of makes sense. :confused:

Years ago when I told my doctor how I was using the insulin (dosages, frequency etc) he laughed when I told him my concern of becoming diabetic.
He said that I would have to do what the diabetics do (multiple 80IU shots daily every day) to have a chance of becoming diabetic.
Plus if you are getting insulin resistance, metformin to the rescue :)

In short, I agree with everything that MikeS said ;)
 
So, is the benefit from 2 daily injections, say one in am and the other post w/o significantly better then just the one post workout? If I do one in the AM that would mean by breakfast would have to be fat free to avoid storing fat?

One more! :) Sorry if this basic but it's important. On the 1cc/100iu insulin syringe 4iu is 4 iu and ten is ten. But if I have a 10iu bottle of HGH and dilute with 1cc BW then 2iu HGH would be 20iu on the syringe right?
 
Homer said:
So, is the benefit from 2 daily injections, say one in am and the other post w/o significantly better then just the one post workout? If I do one in the AM that would mean by breakfast would have to be fat free to avoid storing fat?

One more! :) Sorry if this basic but it's important. On the 1cc/100iu insulin syringe 4iu is 4 iu and ten is ten. But if I have a 10iu bottle of HGH and dilute with 1cc BW then 2iu HGH would be 20iu on the syringe right?

HUGE difference between 2 shots v 1 shot per day.
Have maltodextrin instead of glucose to pass through the first crash after the shots. The malto has the same GI as glucose but it's the last carb to be converted into fat by the body.
 
Homer said:
One more! :) Sorry if this basic but it's important. On the 1cc/100iu insulin syringe 4iu is 4 iu and ten is ten. But if I have a 10iu bottle of HGH and dilute with 1cc BW then 2iu HGH would be 20iu on the syringe right?

Big A, Please tell me if the above is correct or in error.

Thanks!
 
I was under the impression that slin + GH is what causes GH gut????
 
Homer said:
So, is the benefit from 2 daily injections, say one in am and the other post w/o significantly better then just the one post workout? If I do one in the AM that would mean by breakfast would have to be fat free to avoid storing fat?

One more! :) Sorry if this basic but it's important. On the 1cc/100iu insulin syringe 4iu is 4 iu and ten is ten. But if I have a 10iu bottle of HGH and dilute with 1cc BW then 2iu HGH would be 20iu on the syringe right?



Homer,
yes your math is correct.
 
Big A said:
I found that the timing of the GH administration doesn't matter.

I personally like to do 4 weeks with insulin/gh followed by 4 weeks of gh then repeat. The 4 weeks of gh alone will get rid of the fat accumulated during the previous 4 weeks with the gh and insulin.


BigA, what dosage of GH do you take during the 8 week cycle?
 
Homer said:
Big A, Please tell me if the above is correct or in error.

Thanks!

Correct.
 
TooPowerful4u said:
I was under the impression that slin + GH is what causes GH gut????

You have to have the genetic predisposition for it. I know 100% natural guys that have the 'gh gut' when they are stage ready, despite the fact that they have never used anything ever.
I personally still have a 28" waist on stage, despite using gh since '93 and gh/insulin combo since '96.
 
Qwert said:
BigA, what dosage of GH do you take during the 8 week cycle?

I never take anyhting less than 6IU a day.
 
Input from anyone with experience is welcome!
Since I hear that time on is a big factor with HGH, would I be better off doing 250 days at 2iu a day or stick with my original plan of 125 days at 4iu?
 
Homer said:
Input from anyone with experience is welcome!
Since I hear that time on is a big factor with HGH, would I be better off doing 250 days at 2iu a day or stick with my original plan of 125 days at 4iu?

You will notice NOTHING on 2IU per day!
 
ok, 4iu with insulin one time to start and after 4 weeks off twice a day for the next cycle. I will report my progress with this HGH/ insulin experiment. I am coming back after a year layoff.
I have been unable to pass 240lbs (5'9") at 38 no matter what it seems like I tried so it will be interesting to see what happens.
I want to send props out to Bajavet if it's OK! GReat company with quality products and I am going to rely on them to aid my progress. If this shout out is against the rules mods delete.
 
Homer said:
ok, 4iu with insulin one time to start and after 4 weeks off twice a day for the next cycle. I will report my progress with this HGH/ insulin experiment. I am coming back after a year layoff.
I have been unable to pass 240lbs (5'9") at 38 no matter what it seems like I tried so it will be interesting to see what happens.
I want to send props out to Bajavet if it's OK! GReat company with quality products and I am going to rely on them to aid my progress. If this shout out is against the rules mods delete.

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