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For those of you that compete, have you ever done a show without tren? do you believe its possible to achieve the same look without tren by starting your diet earlier, or taking more of the other PEDS.
i just figured with so many people complaining about side effects there had to be an option . for the rest that can handle the sides i guess it makes things a bit easier. just so many have the mindset that prep equals tren every time.Of course, it's possible! You can lean more towards mast, primo, proviron etc. If fullness becomes an issue, can experiment with Anadrol. Tren does provide nice fullness along with hardness. But it is possible without for sure.
For those of you that compete, have you ever done a show without tren? do you believe its possible to achieve the same look without tren by starting your diet earlier, or taking more of the other PEDS.
Great thread. This is my first season going into a prep without tren and have to say I feel far better. Even at low doses of 200mg a week it throws off my sleep and feel like crap.For those of you that compete, have you ever done a show without tren? do you believe its possible to achieve the same look without tren by starting your diet earlier, or taking more of the other PEDS.
I’m not a competitor but 1000% agree with Dom. Plenty of compounds to keep building your base in the off-season and then load the fuck up on DHTs during prep. All those compounds he mentioned above together can def get you through those catabolic times during prep.Of course, it's possible! You can lean more towards mast, primo, proviron etc. If fullness becomes an issue, can experiment with Anadrol. Tren does provide nice fullness along with hardness. But it is possible without for sure.
There’s a distinct look tren gives, but there’s a great thread on here also talking about how it suppresses IGF levels for some. The right cycle with HGH to keep IGF up I believe gives a distinct 3D look of its own.
Agreed ,if it's causing too many destructive or negative effects , it's a no, no.dhb e stenbolone for me as "substitutes" for tren.
...even if...tren is the tren
anyway, yes, you can compete without it, it's not written anywhere that tren is necessary besides the fact that between side and adverse reactions, you could have better results without it
Thanks I had not read the thread all the way through. You are correct and found a few studies and data supporting tren and IGF increases.Quite the opposite actually. In short, Tren makes IGF more efficient. Add HGH... its a 1+1 = 5 situation. I had hoped to leave Tren out of my blasts moving forward but after reading this thread linked below, I will keep a low dose of 150-300mg in most growth phases just to sync with the boosted IGF from the HGH.
Scroll to the bottom and keep an eye on Type-IIx 's posts.
Are you someone that primo affects there estrogen levels?I personally found it is easier prep without tren. No cravings no mood swings less sleep problems…and look? Give me primo with var or winny topped up with clen for extra hardness and I am good to go. 5% bodyfat is 5%bodyfat and if it can be done easier why not? I will leave tren for those who think it is mandatory …They can suffer if they want staring into ceiling while i will snore like it was my job
Exactly good old truth : abs are made in a kitchen , it all it takesYes 500mg primotestin 100mg anadrol. 1980's basically we had no information. Double split training. 3 on 1 off every body part twice a week. 12 weeks no cardio. I'm 6'0 201 in pic shredded. It was all about the diet (old school) and training
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I agree with b-boy. You don’t need Tren. However, nothing will give you that slight edge like Tren.Tren - do you need it? NO
But let's not fool ourselves your 5% will be a bigger harder 5% with tren. If your hitting the stage in a competition this is of MASSIVE VALUE, if your just trying to be beach sexy then who gives two fucks, don't use tren.
Side effects- if you can't sleep, have horrible night sweats, can't eat then LOWER THE FUCKING DOSE! It's a no brainer!