deca and shoulderproblems

[Mr_M]

I'm on a cycle of test and deca(just 1ml of deca) and in my 4th week. I added the deca for the recovery of my shoulder but it hasn't made any difference (still).

When will/should I see some changes?

 

[tenny]

so you really think deca is going to heal injurys????

wow.....lemme know how it goes

 

[Flex2019]

First of all, what is wrong with your shoulder? Deca, though it may ease joint pain and encourage healing of connective tissue, isn't going to magically cure every injury. There may be other things you should be doing.

 

[robot]

ummm, never if you don't rehab your shoulder properly.

Don't get me wrong a little bloat is nice for protecting the joints but curing shoulder issues generally requires consistent effort over several weeks.

 

[Mr_M]

my tendons in both of my shoulders..

deca is known for healing up tendon injuries, you can find enough studies about it.

pretty weird that nobody knows this.

 

[robot]

Well we've taken deca and we've had shoulder tendonitos and guess what....

 

[randyh4]

Deca is a progestin hence stimulates the progesterone receptor... progesterone and estrogen levels increase with the use of deca.... when progesterone levels are stimulated you have more anti-inflammatory cytokines in your body... that's why pregnant women claim to have reduction in joint pain.... winstrol has a reverse osmotic effect and that's why people c/o sore joints.... letrozole is used to eliminate estrogen right? Well people that say that they lose water which may happen due to other things what's happening is that the progesterone and estrogen levels are decreased therefore reducing mineral density=sore joints... hope this helps

 

[robot]

A fine scientific cut and paste answer. The practical answer is deca will help with the inflammation a bit but you are going to have suck it up and work on healing your injury.

I'm guessing it's already chronic and you didn't RICE rest it and ice it 3 times a day for 3 or 4 days but instead just kept working through it.

This means you almost certainly not only have tendon inflammation but adhesions as well so... meet MEAT, mobility, exercise, analgesics, therapy.

Before MEAT you want to see a real sports doctor and get an MRI to see if you have torn your tendon or have a completely impinged acr joint. There is a little tunnel in the bone that your tendon runs through. If your tendon is binding on the joint as the result of calcium deposits you may require surgery.
If you have a tear that won't heal you may require surgery.

If the doctor says you need rehab then...

Mobility: You need to work the joint through its full range of motion, including light stretching all the way around ( 1-2 times a day depending on pain). Dislocates with a broom stick generally help a lot. It wasn't till I added mobility work to my re/pre hab that my shoulders started to get stable.

Exercise: Again depending on the pain weight or bands and carefully work through full range of motion. No speed work, no max efforts/heavy work till you can lift pain free

Analgesics: I'm not a big fan of ibuprophen/motrin and prefer a535 and ice.

Therapy: Self Massage - Cross Friction and With the grain, Ice, Ice, Ice, ART is said to help for many - I do my self made version - thumb pressure where it hurts and then move the joint through a range of motion while I wince. I tried ultrasound and truthfully it did nothing for me.


At the end of the day you need to realize that something you are doing is WRONG and you need to correct your exercise technique or the body imbalance causing the injury.

 

[klowndog]

ummm, never if you don't rehab your shoulder properly.

Don't get me wrong a little bloat is nice for protecting the joints but curing shoulder issues generally requires consistent effort over several weeks.

Do you have a link to the protocol for this rehab you are describing? My shoulder has been messed up for about 2 months now, I don't think its going to heal up on it's own.

 

[randyh4]

Did you need me paraphrase it for you bot?

 

[robot]

Do you have a link to the protocol for this rehab you are describing? My shoulder has been messed up for about 2 months now, I don't think its going to heal up on it's own.

Google RICE (Rest Ice Compression Elevation)
then
MEAT (mobility, exercise, analgesics, therapy)

There is a good thread on shoulder work on intensemuscle and another on dieselcrew.

The old "rotator cuff solution" has plenty of exercises but you'll find all the basics on youtube.

The massage techniques can be found on youtube.

The g-d shoulder is a frustrating joint to rehab and once it's chronic simple rest doesn't heal the injury.

For rehab:
* Mobility work - every day - neck circles, shoulder circles, dislocates and shoulder, chest, bicep, tricep, lat and neck stretches

* Exercise - every day if you are doing cripple work otherwise as per your normal schedule. Reintroduce your regular work as the pain disappears, lower the weight if necessary.

* Analgesics - As needed but I ice 3 times a day and use a535 when doing self massage so I generally ignore this one unless it hurts so much I can't turn my head or the steering wheel.

* Therapy - I have found aggressive self massage is pretty much an every other day thing. It takes a day or two to recover from an deep massage.
I use cross friction - rub against the grain of the tendon - move it like a guitar string and with the grain, like squeezing a tube of toothpaste and then quasi-art - I find where it really hurts with my thumb and press while move the meat under it through as full a range of motion as I can.
- Ice 3 times a day and after any massage, exercise, or mobility work.

A couple of weeks of this usually gets me back to the point where I get lazy about it. When I was completely screwed and it hurt to turn a steering wheel and was chronic (6 plus months) it took me about 2 months of applying these modalities to be pain free.

 

[randyh4]

Supercissus and trigger point therapy worked great for all you need is a superball... my left scapular region posterior to the anterior portion of my delt always used to crack and almost dislocate... I did the RICE method and band work for a lil and it helped...