Dianabol and my liver

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Liam
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Dianabol and my liver
OK then, I will be shortly starting a course of dianabol.

Im getting 400 tabs this weekend, I have taken it before (a few years ago) but was hoping to get some pointers on dosage etc. from you guys. I am 6'4" and about 230lbs.

Also Im already taking Milk Thistle but are there any other bits n bobs I can take to give my liver a hand.



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01-29-2002 02:06 PM



jstrong20
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Don't worry to much about the stress on the liver. The affects orals have on the liver is greatly exaggerated by most and usually is only a concern if you have a pre-existing condition. I myself like to use 50mgs of dbol ed divided into 5 doses spread out evenly through out the day. I like to run it for six weeks and I never had any problems. If you don't have much experience with gear you might get good effects from just 30-40mgs ed. Also what are you stacking it with?



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01-29-2002 03:41 PM



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none planned
I wasn't planning to stack it but I have been reading about and think I might need something to conteract the water retention....Im not sure.

Any reccomendations? I dont want a huge stack or anything tho, just a simple course to give me a boost!

Cheers.



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01-29-2002 03:50 PM



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Well I'd recommend arimidex at .25 ed to prevent water and gyno. This would only cost about $1 ed so its not that expensive. If I was going to use dbol alone I'd use 50mgs ed for 6 weeks and of coarse clomid post therapy. By the way some will say a dbol only cycle is a wast but I ran 50mgs for 6 weeks and kept 15lbs. of solid muscle.



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01-29-2002 04:08 PM



Liam
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I'll try to get hold of some of that, the water retention I can handle but no gyno if I can help it.

I agree with you tho, when I first tried it about 3 years ago I did a 8 week course and gained about 14lbs, I kept 10 of that easily so lets hope I can do the same this time round!



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01-29-2002 04:11 PM



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Liam,
IMO you should stack the Dbol with a test. IMO there is an optimum dosage and i would not disagree with 40mg - 50mg a day. With that said some people do have a high tolerance which can be natural or buit up through usage. Even so you do get to a saturation point.
Speaking from experience my personal limit is approx 50 - 70mg ED. I will admit to trying 100mg ED but not only did i suffer sides (for the first time) but there was no benefit in terms of growth.
Orals (dbol included) will represent anabolism through pathways outside of the androgen receptor,which will potentiate the effects of most injectibles.
This is explained by the was Dbol works.
dianabol has odd anabolic(additive)capabilities in that it greatly increases potassium/calcium synthesis,and prevents calcium leaks from muscle cells.Calcium is quite an important nutrient for cellular function/contractile activity.Dbol has been shown to have high affinities for mitochondria,which is non-A/R related,but has far reaching capabilities where energy/ATP is concerned.

A solid mass stack would be IMO

wks 1-6 Dbol @ 40 - 50mg ED (spread over every 4 hours = 1/2 life_
wks 1 - 8 Sus @ 500mg EW
wks 1- 8 Decca @ 400mg EW

In terms of water retention then you could look at 10mg ED of Nolva. unless you are prone i would not bother but do have on hand in case of gyno symptoms. If recognised then take 30 - 40mg ED until symtoms subside.

You will need clomid post cycle (start 3 weeks after last decca jab) and do 300mg day 1. 100 mg next 10 days then 50 mg last 10 days.

With liver protectants i do always use. If you can get regular liver work done then i would advise it as every ones tolerance is different.

IMO: liv 52, Milk Thistle & cranberry extract are all good for this.

Hope this helps and again it is my opinion.

Wrongun!


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01-30-2002 03:57 AM



jstrong20
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Great post wrongun and very informative!



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01-30-2002 07:49 AM



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Great post wrongun and very informative!
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Must admit if i ever made it to Mastermind the speacialist subject would be 17aa's or Dbol LMAO

The ''breakfast of champions''

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01-30-2002 07:43 PM



Liam
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WOW!
Thanks for the info there. The course you suggest looks great to me, but as its the first one Im doing for years I think I will just stick to the dianabol for now, then get a bit more serious after a break from that.

I will keep a copy of that course tho, you obviously know whats what.

Im picking the gear up on saturday, so I will keep you all posted on progress and how Im feeling on it!

Thanks again!



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01-30-2002 09:20 PM



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Liam,
that is the classic mass builder and a good combination of meds IMO. Get your:
diet
training
rest

correct and you will see the benefits.
In terms of knowledge we are all on the net visiting these boards to gain more and help but trust me you have many more knowledgeable people here than me my friend.

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01-31-2002 03:52 AM



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Wrongun-
Thats a good post! I learned something there. Thanks.



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02-01-2002 08:59 PM



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Re: Wrongun-

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Thats a good post! I learned something there. Thanks.
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Thats what we are all here for my friend. There is so much to learn and relay.

thanks for the comments

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