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Do "NATURAL" athletes deserve a trophy? SteroidsR4losers phenomenon.

rippedyearround

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This is simply my observation. I could be entirely wrong. I'm looking to get some philosophical discussion going.

There seems to be this strange feeling of accomplishment among outspokenly 'natural' athletes in all sports that somehow they deserve glorious recognition for simply being natural.

I'm sure many of you have seen the thousands of posts on Youtube from the user 'steroidsR4losers' on every single bodybuilding video. He is a shining example of this phenomenon.

What is this all about? Where does it come from? Will it ever go away? If so, how? Why are some people SO passionate about natural?

I'm interested in reading your insights.
 

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I always thought that profile (whoever that dumb ass is) was a loser with waaayyy too much time on their hands... Certainly no phenomenon...

I can understand people being against steroids in sports (keeping a level "playing field"), but other than that, it all comes down to ignorance for the most part.
 

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Layne Norton decides to compete in powerlifting and pulls 700 raw. Matt Kroczaleski (all-American badass) has years more of training experience and pulls 810 with drugs and a suit.

If I were Layne, I'd be damn proud to be a natural.
 

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90% of All top athletes in their sport juice. 10% Genetic freaks. And who the hell really knows who is really natural- people lie.....
 

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it just amazes me how a woman can say to a doctor..."im sexually active but dont want to get pregnent"..bam script for birth control....or an older guy tells his doctor.."i can get wood"..script for viagra...but the person who uses performance enhancing drugs(healthy or not) gets frowned upon...most drugs we have now days in some way shape or form are performance enhancing...curt schilling can get a cortizone shot in his ankle upon request to help his fucked up ankle recover in time for his next start...so pathertic i can only laugh
 

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I say...

Get over it. All the top people and even the lower level use with the exception of few. Get over it.
 

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I have seen that user "steroidr4loosers". My god that guy is annoying. He posts crap (and sometimes just spams periods so you can see his name) on just about every bodybuilding, powerlifting, or "how to" training video on youtube. As far as weather being "natural" should carry some special prestige. I really don't think so. If that is how someone wants to train....then good for them and I hope they achive their goals. But, gear only gives someone a slight edge. You can't just take steroids and presto....your a pro. It takes years of training and sacrafice to be a top level athlete. Even on steroids, if an athlete dosen't have the drive, the genetics, or the talent they will never be professional no matter what sport they choose.
 

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natural bbing radio, run by john hansen (natural mr olympia) recently had a show that exposed drug use in "natural" bbing... it shouldn't have been, but it was a shock how many of the supposed natural guys are using and their reasons for doing so.

Mike Arnold, Chemical Enhancement Coach : Natural Bodybuilding Radio

check it out... i can't think of anything more pussified than what these guys are doing.
 

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Sports is all about NOT having an equal playing field - doing everythign you can to get that TINY advantage. Equipment, training, mental preparation, diet, tweaking form on certain stuff... drugs? yeah why not.
 

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Sports is all about NOT having an equal playing field - doing everythign you can to get that TINY advantage. Equipment, training, mental preparation, diet, tweaking form on certain stuff... drugs? yeah why not.
exactly. if ya aint cheating ya aint trying.
 

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Too me the natural athletes who think they need a trophy and recognition for just being natural are the ones would never win anything if they were juiced to the gills or not.

They are just haters because there were probably not that great to begin with and looking for excuses.
 

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i think its a matter of personal opinion amd morals

some people might think sport is seeing wat mans limits are and wat he can achieve naturally, and is admirable

while others beleive seeing wat man can achieve beyond his limits is more admirable

i can understand why people feel being natural is a greater achievement

personly i do agree to some extent, accomplishing something naturaly does have its sense of fufilment,

however

wat u can achieve with steroids and other substances brings things to a whole new level

how far itll allow you to go? who knows, its seems endless as the years go on and people become stronger, bigger, faster and almost freaks of nature
 

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The natural guy will always get props from me because I think the temptation is strong - big time strong to use. I don't think that natural guys should be beaten up for wanting to be natural anymore than guys that are geared but ... when push comes to shove we all here are all using drugs to get our physiques so ... keep it in perspective and don't hate the natural guys, either. :)

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The US-mentality seems to almost be that you have to take a drug just to manage getting off of your couch and actually partake in a sport. Since I'll get attacked for this, just look at Euro basketball vs NBA, the Euro guys are all twigs while in the NBA you have semi-bodybuilders running around.

I've used and will use again myself but I have way more respect for someone accomplishing something natural than enhanced, to me this is just common sense. Layne Norton would be a great example as btech has posted.

Some of you seem to be so far away from reality that you think injecting illicit substances is an option and not a problem at all for everyone, while in reality most wouldn't even think of doing so.
 

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The US-mentality seems to almost be that you have to take a drug just to manage getting off of your couch and actually partake in a sport. Since I'll get attacked for this, just look at Euro basketball vs NBA, the Euro guys are all twigs while in the NBA you have semi-bodybuilders running around.

I've used and will use again myself but I have way more respect for someone accomplishing something natural than enhanced, to me this is just common sense. Layne Norton would be a great example as btech has posted.

Some of you seem to be so far away from reality that you think injecting illicit substances is an option and not a problem at all for everyone, while in reality most wouldn't even think of doing so.
I don't think that this is a comparison nor do I think that you will be 'attacked.' Shoot, I'll get attacked...The NBA plays way to many games...Think about it...'over training' IMO.
There are genetic 'freaks' but, who usually wins...It's the man with the 'know how' and to pass tests. The people with the genetics do well and hats off to them but the people in the 'know' usually win and that is the goal.
 

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i could care less if anyone uses drugs or not. but think about this, every time someone who claims to be natural does anything remotely impressive everyone calls them a liar and says theyre using. how is that any different than the natural guys bashing the drug users?
 

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The US-mentality seems to almost be that you have to take a drug just to manage getting off of your couch and actually partake in a sport. Since I'll get attacked for this, just look at Euro basketball vs NBA, the Euro guys are all twigs while in the NBA you have semi-bodybuilders running around.

I've used and will use again myself but I have way more respect for someone accomplishing something natural than enhanced, to me this is just common sense. Layne Norton would be a great example as btech has posted. Layne i have respect for.

Some of you seem to be so far away from reality that you think injecting illicit substances is an option and not a problem at all for everyone, while in reality most wouldn't even think of doing so.
i do have A LOT of respect for guys like Layne who push themselves crazy hard AND still put up numbers that guys who are "ON" would love. WHO I DONT HAVE RESPECT FOR are guys that just dont use "gear" for 3+ years and get on strictly HGH, Insulin and other stuff JUST to win a damn trophy.

The NBA example doesn't fit. The only guy in the NBA with a ridiculous physique is Dwight Howard. Everyone else...ehhhh. i mean look at Kevin Durant, the guy couldnt bench press 185 2 years ago and i bet he can't push much more right now. Euro guys and NBA doon't look too much different man. I mean maybe guys like Shaq and David Robinson in their prime looked like a freaks when playing for the Dream Team but i'd put that more on the "African-American athlete genetics" more than drugs. I really doubt their are THAT many guys in the NBA who use performance enhancing drugs. Their might be some but its not like you have to be ripped or huge to make a basket
 
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natural is just plain old natural. sorry but its garbage being natural. i see them guys in a 5 year period that go to the gym everyday and dont change at all in 5 years besides getting older, waste of time imo. i dont understand why you wouldnt want to go to another level or 2 even if its really small doses. life is short why not be all you can be. bigger, stronger, faster, leaner, confident, horny, hungry, aggresive. i might sound like an ass but i dont get the natural thing. get it in ya:D:headbang:
 

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Layne Norton decides to compete in powerlifting and pulls 700 raw. Matt Kroczaleski (all-American badass) has years more of training experience and pulls 810 with drugs and a suit.

If I were Layne, I'd be damn proud to be a natural.
but compare their totals. layne only totaled 1500 something at raw unity
 

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