Documentary on a bodybuilder doing steroids?

[steele]

Just kinda curious what you guys think would happen if i shot a documentary of an aspiring bodybuilder in the amateur ranks and instead of showing ONLY diet and training, go ahead and document all the DRUG use?

i have never seen a documentary like that.

do you think it would be a positive or negative thing for our community? why?

more importantly, would you watch it?

i think it would be cool to see a SMART guy train and eat and be open with his drug use and blood work to show it can be done responsibly?
don't know. just kinda brainstorming...
anyone want to volunteer -STEELE

 

[dabeast75]

I would definitely watch it, as would most other people on this board and aspiring/existing BBers. Would be great.

Many others would watch it too, but i assume it would be largely condemned as something only freaks or insane people would do, kinda like the people who get full body tattoos/piercings, at best. At worst i think it will be pegged as something that only criminals do. Seen it happen too often unfortunately. Not just in the US. Its "common knowledge" that AAS are made by the devil himself and used by his worshipers, so to speak.

Sorry bud. I just dont see it changing any time soon. Especially with that nut job who is in charge of all those raids taking place in the last few months.

 

[steele]

good respnse

I would definitely watch it, as would most other people on this board and aspiring/existing BBers. Would be great.

Many others would watch it too, but i assume it would be largely condemned as something only freaks or insane people would do, kinda like the people who get full body tattoos/piercings, at best. At worst i think it will be pegged as something that only criminals do. Seen it happen too often unfortunately. Not just in the US. Its "common knowledge" that AAS are made by the devil himself and used by his worshipers, so to speak.

Sorry bud. I just dont see it changing any time soon. Especially with that nut job who is in charge of all those raids taking place in the last few months.

yeah, i don't think it would go over too well... i bet people would be shocked to see its not as unhealthy as they think. but people WANT to believe its the devil AND the brainwashing by the media is real.

at the same time it could open peoples eyes that don't need to be perhaps. i will never forget when one of my sisters asked me if i thought Mr. Olympia used steroids. lol. -STEELE

 

[aeliop]

Just kinda curious what you guys think would happen if i shot a documentary of an aspiring bodybuilder in the amateur ranks and instead of showing ONLY diet and training, go ahead and document all the DRUG use?

i have never seen a documentary like that.

do you think it would be a positive or negative thing for our community? why?

more importantly, would you watch it?

i think it would be cool to see a SMART guy train and eat and be open with his drug use and blood work to show it can be done responsibly?
don't know. just kinda brainstorming...
anyone want to volunteer -STEELE

I think if done right and you could find a guy to do it, it would be quite earth shattering

 

[fsm]

I think if it was done somewhere where it was legal, and if the guy was having bloodwork done and it was documented in the film, it might be quite useful, and perhaps something to be used as part of an intelligent discussion of steroid use.

 

[FuckOprah]

i'd watch it, if you can make it so that the public gets our side of the story that would be awesome rather then them thinking they know what they're talking about from hearing a fake doctor spit out lies and biased views.

 

[Zeus10]

Its all about how you spin it. As long as you dont show mostly negative things and illegal activities it can be great! Showing the public the AAS are not the devil would be helpfull and maybe stop congress from attacking us.

 

[Nate.184]

i think this would be great and could def help people to see our side

 

[jm425]

The feds/media have the public so brain washed with all the negative publicity that IMO, your documentary wouldn't change anyone's mind/view on aas use for the purposes of bbing. This is just my opinion.

 

[steele]

thanks for your thoughts Aeliop!
glad there are some positive thoughts about it.

i think at the least, the documentary would be groundbreaking. if i did it in a country where it was legal i dont see anyone being in jeopardy...

i might do this. i kinda see it as the opposite of that movie documenting eating at mcdonalds everyday and how unhealthy it was. this would be a guy doing juice and how its NOT so unhealthy. or i would prolly treat the steroid use coincidental as to not lose sight of the suffering involved in contest prep...

it could really cause a stir tho... but sounds like a cult classic in the making

-STEELE

 

[SisyphusRocks]

I like the idea and agree with fsm that you should do
it somewhere where it's legal. If you could find a natural guy that
has already done a few shows you could probably show
more of a transformation. You need to give the candidates
some sort of psych evaluation so you don't pick someone
that is a jackass and people will blame it on juice.

 

[Ashop]

Just kinda curious what you guys think would happen if i shot a documentary of an aspiring bodybuilder in the amateur ranks and instead of showing ONLY diet and training, go ahead and document all the DRUG use?

i have never seen a documentary like that.

do you think it would be a positive or negative thing for our community? why?

more importantly, would you watch it?

i think it would be cool to see a SMART guy train and eat and be open with his drug use and blood work to show it can be done responsibly?
don't know. just kinda brainstorming...
anyone want to volunteer -STEELE

I'd buy a copy of it.

 

[caveman]

I saw a small documentary show, on canadian t.v., that every week does a piece on sumthing diferent. So..... it was like 30 min with commericials and followed him around training,eating,living, with the goal of some small time provincial show (level 2). It did cover a good honest bit on drug use but maining on the training, how it affected him mentally, how his girlfriend and family members viewed his life style, good piece,..... but not enough of the drugs( hard core practices).

 

[617ricky]

The feds/media have the public so brain washed with all the negative publicity that IMO, your documentary wouldn't change anyone's mind/view on aas use for the purposes of bbing. This is just my opinion.

It's not really TOTAL negativity towards gear.. I've seen recent stuff on primetime - Dateline or 20/20, and the interviewer was shooting down a typical "expert" who was spouting off all the myths, and he was basically saying that moderate usage is not nearly as harmful as most people assume..

The thing with gear tho, is most people have already made up their minds, and there's not enough regular guys who use responsibly and see the benefits.. People just automatically assume the pimply-faced juice monster with roid rage.. If these 30-40 year old guys would just quit buying all the gimmicks for libido, penis enlargement, fat loss, etc - and just did a little 200mg/wk Test cycle they'd be thrilled with the results.. I really think that's what it would take for the general public to start to come around and realize this stuff ain't bad.. Cuz as long as they have that stigma in their minds from Health class, what's really gonna change their minds?

 

[IRON37]

I think it would be a good thing. it would un-demonize alot of the stereotypes of steroid users. Like showing them with their family and children. having normal jobs just like everyone else. People probably dont realize how much they can really relate to bodybuilders unless they are one. Also explaining why they do what they do, everyone always has their reasons. And we all can relate in some ways.

 

[jm425]

It's not really TOTAL negativity towards gear.. I've seen recent stuff on primetime - Dateline or 20/20, and the interviewer was shooting down a typical "expert" who was spouting off all the myths, and he was basically saying that moderate usage is not nearly as harmful as most people assume..

The thing with gear tho, is most people have already made up their minds, and there's not enough regular guys who use responsibly and see the benefits.. People just automatically assume the pimply-faced juice monster with roid rage.. If these 30-40 year old guys would just quit buying all the gimmicks for libido, penis enlargement, fat loss, etc - and just did a little 200mg/wk Test cycle they'd be thrilled with the results.. I really think that's what it would take for the general public to start to come around and realize this stuff ain't bad.. Cuz as long as they have that stigma in their minds from Health class, what's really gonna change their minds?

I disagree. The public has been so much bs from the media and the feds that they are practically brainwashed. AAS was never mainstream and never will be in this country. Most people will view it as something negative.

 

[buselmo]

Again, do not underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers!!! i'm talking about the general public IN THE WORLD here and not just america... it would not make an ounce of difference if anyone came up with the best documentary ever made ABOUT A NOBODY! no offence to anyone... but we are preceived as ugly ass stupid meatheads. nothing more, nothing less.
HBO sports special about steroids
Bigger, stronger, faster
testosterone boys

all these were very good documentaries about bodybuilding and steroids and the only thing they did was RUIN the image of bodybuilding and steroids even more. even though some of the had some real fool proof evidence about the dangers of steroids being blow way out of proportion...
but why did this make it worse? shouldn't it make it better?
i'll tell you why... cuz the general public doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone in those documenteries cuz they aren't famous!

what people want is to see their glamorous celebrities in a reality show shooting steroids and telling them it's ok, we all do it. then it will be accepted.

that's what happened with plastic surgery
that's what happened with gastric bypass

and to a lot of us, that's what got us started in bodybuilding (rocky, rambo, terminator)...

plastic surgery was not acceptable 30 years ago. anyone who did it was weird. now a days, people go do liposuction before TRYING to change their regular coke to a diet coke to cut calories! why?
cuz all the celebs are doing it...

get these people on roids and get them to work out:
kim kardashian
those brangelina fucktards
megan fox
johnnie depp
and whoever the fuck is on the E-channel these days...

get those people to represent steroids and how they aren't that harmful AND THEY WILL LIFT THE BAN ON THAT SHIT WITHIN A YEAR! and people would accept it.

that's just my opinion... every "trend" i see these days of something that was unacceptable 10 years ago and considered the devil's work that is now the norm was done by these idiots telling people it's ok to do it (not verbally, but you know what i mean)...

I think it would be a good thing. it would un-demonize alot of the stereotypes of steroid users. Like showing them with their family and children. having normal jobs just like everyone else. People probably dont realize how much they can really relate to bodybuilders unless they are one. Also explaining why they do what they do, everyone always has their reasons. And we all can relate in some ways.

I don't have anything to comment or add to what you said... all i wanna say is that your avatar is fucking awesome

 

[617ricky]

I disagree. The public has been so much bs from the media and the feds that they are practically brainwashed. AAS was never mainstream and never will be in this country. Most people will view it as something negative.

Brainwashed? That's BS - yea people have their opinions from Health class and the news, but humans are capable of changing their opinions at the drop of a hat.. I was totally against gear until I heard about this normal type dude doing it, and that changed my whole opinion pretty quickly.. As I said, the large majority of people only associate the myths from Health class with gear.. But if they actually knew the benefits behind low safe dosages, they'd be sold.. Just think of the BILLIONS that's blown on all the gimmicks for libido, penis size, fat loss, etc.. People are willing to spend the money and try shit - that shit flat out doesn't work tho.. But if they knew about so-and-so who just did a little cycle and got great results, people would start to slowly come around.. Look what happened with weed - it's pretty much legal in alot of states now.. So you can't say that "something will never happen" in this country.. It's just that way too few people are into it, and the ones that do it have a negative stigma for the most part..

 

[Tom]

idea

shoot the vid but follow 5 people through thier training, diet, and drug use including bloodwork and reasonable doses. 5 people with similar positive results and healthy bloodwork would carry alot of weight.

 

[big nasty]

My .02...

I think it depends a lot on who's making it and how they present the information. People like John Stossel, Chris Bell, and whomever else can say what they want however they want but their personal views, adaptations and interpretations are always going to be in the final product. Same with hollywood - that's why it's so easy to recognize producers from film to film because they will always have THEIR spin on the final product. Look at Michael Bay produced films(The Rock, Bad Boys I & II, Transformers I & II, etc.), they all have very similar looks(camera angles, editing, etc.) to them yet they are all different films. Same with other filmmakers such as Michael Mann, Oliver Stone, James Carpenter and so on.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is it will only stand out if it is unique but powerfully unique. If the film were made by someone who has been "in the trenches" and knows how to present that pov while maintaining relative anonymity from the final product then I think it would be a very compelling film. Also, I think that showing multiple subjects(male and female) would bolster the cause. Show the training, show the dieting, show the drugs, show the lifestyle, show the family, show the friends, show the good, show the bad, show EVERYTHING. THAT will be powerful.

Good luck.