Does anyone know what dose of estrogen valerate equels male estrogen replacement therapy?

[Siggy]

I understand that. I’m talking about using actual , synthetic e2 to increase estrogen levels while on PED’s lol. Not referring to testosterone conversion to estrogen .

The study did go over other forms of estrogen therapy

I hear you. Either way its incredibly interesting to note changes in outcome just from changing the route of delivery.

As noted above, transdermal preparations appear to have low to no risk of VTE, leading some experts to suggest it as first‐line therapy – particularly for patients aged >40 years. 57

 

[Jefe]

How much is the consultation?

You have primo and estrogen money, you should have consultation money, no?

 

[VaginaBoob89]

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This thread has it all

Well it’s missing one thing

Mast or primo has anyone tried running them higher than test before?

There now it’s complete

I think there's now ay the OP is trolling; he's bought into the Dr. Todd Lee madness and thinks he will finally look like a bodybuilder if he masters the DHT derivative:test:estrogen ratio rather than the very boring truth of chicken breast, potatoes, sweet potatoes, oats, blueberries, apples, skim milk, salmon, 12k steps, cardio, and caffeine.

I hate hate hate that people on here talk about steroids and have literally 0 of their pics posted as if steroids are some sort of super illegal think where you're going to lose your job and must protect your anonymity at all costs. Because we know they look like crap, they know they look like crap, and they know if we know what they looked like nobody would even indulge in their retarded questions because our answers would be "stop overeating nonsense and follow a real bodybuilding diet" rather than advising them on the perfect PED stack to eat pizza+ice cream and still look like a bodybuilder.

 

[traininsane11]

I think there's now ay the OP is trolling; he's bought into the Dr. Todd Lee madness and thinks he will finally look like a bodybuilder if he masters the DHT derivative:test:estrogen ratio rather than the very boring truth of chicken breast, potatoes, sweet potatoes, oats, blueberries, apples, skim milk, salmon, 12k steps, cardio, and caffeine.

I hate hate hate that people on here talk about steroids and have literally 0 of their pics posted as if steroids are some sort of super illegal think where you're going to lose your job and must protect your anonymity at all costs. Because we know they look like crap, they know they look like crap, and they know if we know what they looked like nobody would even indulge in their retarded questions because our answers would be "stop overeating nonsense and follow a real bodybuilding diet" rather than advising them on the perfect PED stack to eat pizza+ice cream and still look like a bodybuilder.

Pretty much nail on the head. Speaking from what I see here in the UK most guys who take the gym semi seriously (not bodybuilding just going to the gym) will take gear. It’s very accessible, pretty cheap and spoken about on social media in a way that makes it seem like you’re an idiot not to use it.

 

[TakeMore191AA]

Those that think I'm trolling always have the lowest IQ's in my threads. I could list things I've done in the past when it comes to PED's that you wouldn't believe I did, even when there's timestamped evidence

 

[traininsane11]

Those that think I'm trolling always have the lowest IQ's in my threads. I could list things I've done in the past when it comes to PED's that you wouldn't believe I did, even when there's timestamped evidence

I mean an anonymous post on an open forum is hardly ever proof of anything. There’s loads of people without even a profile picture on here who’ve been posting years who’ve done it all supposedly but without pics it usually means 1 of 2 things

They’re lying
And or
They look terrible

Gotta remember in bodybuilding virtually everything needs to be backed up by visual proof because this whole thing is based on the visual of someone’s physique

Which is a conundrum because you may well be super intelligent on all of it but unless you either look the part or have clients that do most people aren’t going to take you serious

 

[mexbeast]

I think there's now ay the OP is trolling; he's bought into the Dr. Todd Lee madness and thinks he will finally look like a bodybuilder if he masters the DHT derivative:test:estrogen ratio rather than the very boring truth of chicken breast, potatoes, sweet potatoes, oats, blueberries, apples, skim milk, salmon, 12k steps, cardio, and caffeine.

I hate hate hate that people on here talk about steroids and have literally 0 of their pics posted as if steroids are some sort of super illegal think where you're going to lose your job and must protect your anonymity at all costs. Because we know they look like crap, they know they look like crap, and they know if we know what they looked like nobody would even indulge in their retarded questions because our answers would be "stop overeating nonsense and follow a real bodybuilding diet" rather than advising them on the perfect PED stack to eat pizza+ice cream and still look like a bodybuilder.

But the thing is they are going to do it no matter what, so might as well try to get them to do it more sensibly

 

[madg]

Estrogen shots
Obesity drugs
2 g primo for first time

Always remeber son .. never go full retard

 

[qbkilla]

Those that think I'm trolling always have the lowest IQ's in my threads. I could list things I've done in the past when it comes to PED's that you wouldn't believe I did, even when there's timestamped evidence

1. I'd be interested in hearing these things for entertainment

2. Why does your post make it sound like your proud to have done crazy things with aas? Is your goal to look good and be healthy or be the next Boston Lloyd...just a dumb kid who played with fire and got burnt? I think your smart enough to know there are guys who use minimal drugs or none who look amazing...are you self aware enough to realize your just playing wirh different drugs vs trying to actually look your best?

 

[maxrep24]

Those that think I'm trolling always have the lowest IQ's in my threads. I could list things I've done in the past when it comes to PED's that you wouldn't believe I did, even when there's timestamped evidence

Post up a pic then, that’s the only way you’re gonna be taken seriously.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

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This thread has it all

Well it’s missing one thing

Mast or primo has anyone tried running them higher than test before?

There now it’s complete

Fucking A... reading this thread made my face puffy!

With all this estrogen injection going on i am gonna lobby for LGBTQIA(PM) status, that way we can get some legal protections.

 

[TakeMore191AA]

This is giving me enough wrist pain that I almost tapped out and lowered dosages today, instead I'm bringing estrogen down to 100 to 110 and gotta be able to diet well enough to stay glycogen depleted enough to keep the wrist pain away, at least I'm hoping that'll work.

Does anybody know if masteron causes higher IGF-1 the way that testosterone does? I'm talking about purely from being an androgen, not by any other pathway like higher estrogen from aromatization. I'm wondering if my androgen levels for IGF-1 conversion are already maxed out or not, so like if I were to lower test from 612 to 470 and keep estradiol the same would IGF-1 stay the same since I'm keeping the 2 grams mast in?

I always thought I was a low IGF-1 convertor, it turned out I was just doing it wrong, which is the case for nearly 100% of people pulling low IGF-1. You need food+androgens+estrogen+HGH+insulin and if you're taking anything that's liver toxic in the slightest it'll murder your score. I believe even telmisartan lowers it dramatically

 

[TakeMore191AA]

^

 

[qbkilla]

This is giving me enough wrist pain that I almost tapped out and lowered dosages today, instead I'm bringing estrogen down to 100 to 110 and gotta be able to diet well enough to stay glycogen depleted enough to keep the wrist pain away, at least I'm hoping that'll work.

Does anybody know if masteron causes higher IGF-1 the way that testosterone does? I'm talking about purely from being an androgen, not by any other pathway like higher estrogen from aromatization. I'm wondering if my androgen levels for IGF-1 conversion are already maxed out or not, so like if I were to lower test from 612 to 470 and keep estradiol the same would IGF-1 stay the same since I'm keeping the 2 grams mast in?

I always thought I was a low IGF-1 convertor, it turned out I was just doing it wrong, which is the case for nearly 100% of people pulling low IGF-1. You need food+androgens+estrogen+HGH+insulin and if you're taking anything that's liver toxic in the slightest it'll murder your score. I believe even telmisartan lowers it dramatically

What are your goals again? I haven't followed closely but I believe your 15 percent and bulking? I think that's a horrible idea but to each his own. I believe your choosing lower test high primo so that's why your playing with estrogen? Again silly but you do you. But now the estrogen is causing you wrist pain so now your screwing wirh your diet and it may impact your training? I know this will fall on deaf ears but I'd personally set your training routine and diet and those are set in stone, then adjust anabolics to progress. Seems like your changing the base of the pyramid to accommodate the top (shit that doesn't matter) seems backwards.

That's like me insisting on using winny to get stronger on my bench but then my joints hurt so now I'm benching less often to make up for the winny related joint problems...just an example but imo seems ass backwards

 

[mexbeast]

This is giving me enough wrist pain that I almost tapped out and lowered dosages today, instead I'm bringing estrogen down to 100 to 110 and gotta be able to diet well enough to stay glycogen depleted enough to keep the wrist pain away, at least I'm hoping that'll work.

Does anybody know if masteron causes higher IGF-1 the way that testosterone does? I'm talking about purely from being an androgen, not by any other pathway like higher estrogen from aromatization. I'm wondering if my androgen levels for IGF-1 conversion are already maxed out or not, so like if I were to lower test from 612 to 470 and keep estradiol the same would IGF-1 stay the same since I'm keeping the 2 grams mast in?

I always thought I was a low IGF-1 convertor, it turned out I was just doing it wrong, which is the case for nearly 100% of people pulling low IGF-1. You need food+androgens+estrogen+HGH+insulin and if you're taking anything that's liver toxic in the slightest it'll murder your score. I believe even telmisartan lowers it dramatically

So you are taking mast not primo? I don't believe mast is androgenic at all, but at that dosage it would definitely cause some androgenic sides, but wrist pain should not be one of them. I would tend to believe that it's your high igf1 causing the pain, are you also taking GH? And are you going to try to lower your estrogen in half?

 

[b-boy]

Honestly, I’ve quite literally NEVER heard of someone doing that.

Nor have I

 

[Elvia1023]

The estrogen injections are causing you wrist pain. Is that why girls always complain about their wrist hurting when wanking men off?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

The estrogen injections are causing you wrist pain. Is that why girls always complain about their wrist hurting when wanking men off?

Most likely just a bob but everyone here is bacon

 

[specter]

Nor have I

well this was the answer i got from writing the same thing

"Go on excelmale.com and find Dr Justin Saya and find out for yourself. He runs defymedical, am anti-aging clinic. Just because YOUUUUUUU havnt heard of it doesn't mean it isn't happening dude. Matter of fact call the clinic yourself and hear it with your own ears too.. the 20 year old receptionist girl fucking knows this. Times have changed people.."

So yeah you just need to give em a call...

 

[TakeMore191AA]

What are your goals again? I haven't followed closely but I believe your 15 percent and bulking? I think that's a horrible idea but to each his own. I believe your choosing lower test high primo so that's why your playing with estrogen? Again silly but you do you. But now the estrogen is causing you wrist pain so now your screwing wirh your diet and it may impact your training? I know this will fall on deaf ears but I'd personally set your training routine and diet and those are set in stone, then adjust anabolics to progress. Seems like your changing the base of the pyramid to accommodate the top (shit that doesn't matter) seems backwards.

That's like me insisting on using winny to get stronger on my bench but then my joints hurt so now I'm benching less often to make up for the winny related joint problems...just an example but imo seems ass backwards

I'm guessing I'm 22% now, not bulking or cutting, supposed to be cutting.the wrist pain is from high systemic IGF-1, my estrogen is high but I'm not injecting it, I just stopped the tiny bit of arimidex I was taking, but I've since restarted it at 1/3 the dose after getting these labs back.

So you are taking mast not primo? I don't believe mast is androgenic at all, but at that dosage it would definitely cause some androgenic sides, but wrist pain should not be one of them. I would tend to believe that it's your high igf1 causing the pain, are you also taking GH? And are you going to try to lower your estrogen in half?

How could it not be androgenic at all but cause androgenic sides? Wtf

Yes it's the high systemic IGF-1 causing the joint swelling, along with bad diet, and androgens and estrogens. Yes 15iu HGH split morning amd night and I'd like to cut my estrogen by a little over a third, I'm shooting for 100pg/mL