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Don't Like Gas Prices, Blame Sierra Club

callgolf

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This might sound crazy, but I am glad gasoline prices are getting out of control. Give me a second to explain. If the media actually begins to tell the truth concerning the reasons behind the insane increases in fuel prices, people will get pissed and demand action. The high prices have little to do with the free market or even China's/India's increased demand. NO. There are more known oil reserves today than existed 20 years ago. It has to do with insane environmental restrictions that decrease domestic drilling and refining. The only way the media can get away with say that oil reserves are decreasing is subtracting those know oil reserves that have been placed off limits by corrupt judges and frivolous lawsuits. It's high time that we put these Gulfstream environmentalists like RFK Jr. out to dry. Their bullshit was a cute diversion a few years ago, but the lies are beginning to catch on and they can efectually derail our economy and send us back to the 18th century.
 
Don't flatter the issue by blaming it on politicians.

We are past (or closely nearing) the supply and demand. How silly is it to say "China/India" have NO effect on supply when they are adding MILLIONS of vehicles into this equation (that WERE NEVER in use - not replacement transportation).

If we don't get our heads outta the sand, I give the US 2 years before our economy collapses.
 
speaking of sand, canada has enough oil in "oil sands" that it totals around 3-5 trillion barrels of oil, expect them to become a player in a couple years in the ol oil game.
 
Jarconis said:
speaking of sand, canada has enough oil in "oil sands" that it totals around 3-5 trillion barrels of oil, expect them to become a player in a couple years in the ol oil game.
I could be a gazzillion gallons. We've already found the "easy" oil. Now the oil they're finding or can get it VERY difficult to extract - read EXPENSIVE. With some extraction processes, IT TAKES AS MUCH ENERGY (in btu's) AS THERE IS IN THE OIL THAT THEY GET - now that make's a lot of sense doesn't it?!?!?
 
Advancing methods of pumping and refining have managed to allow the petroleum industry to keep pace with rising demand over the years. So, although Xcel raises a good point regarding supply/demand, that is not a factor in the recent uptrend in petroleum prices.

The real factor is an administration that has lined it's own pockets at the expense of the average citizen. I'll explain EXACTLY how in a second, but first the setup.

When Presidents and their upper-level administrators take office they are required to disgorge any personal investment holdings or they must turn over their holdings to a third-party administrator who can ensure that there is no conflict of interest in Presidential politics and the President's personal finances (and Vice-President, etc.).

But, when Bush & Co. took office he OVERRULED that Congressional mandate thereby keeping his vast portfolio of Oil and Petroleum Industry stocks. Same holds true for VP Cheney, and most of the administration - in fact, Coldoleeza Rice holds enough Chevron stock to have an oil barge named after her! It's true - it's the "Condoleeza" and it's in Iraq right now.

The Bush administration became the first administration in our nation's history to have a strong financial interest in the petroleum industry - specifically the rise in the price of oil (and gas) equates directly to the rise in the personal net worth of our "leaders".

Even dating back to 2000, conservative (and often Republican-funded) think tanks such as the Brookings Institute and the Carlyle Group cited extreme conflicts of interest by tying the President's pocket to the price of oil.

In fact, according to the Brookings Institute, for every .01 cent rise in the price of regular unleaded gasoline:

President Bush's net-worth increases by $146,000 ANNUALLY
VP Cheney's net-worth increases by $220,000 ANNUALLY

Since the start of Bush's Presidency, his personal net-worth has more than quadroopled to over $2 Billion and VP Cheney's has increased five-fold to over $5 Billion. Since they get paid about $100,000 a year and since the stock market is relatively flat over the same time frame, the enormous growth is directly attributed to the increase in the value of their petroleum industry interests.

Famous economist Adam Smith theorized that wealth is never created, it simply changes hands. So, we as a country have subsized the wealth transfer from our pockets to the Bush Boy's pockets - and we continue to do so.
 
Maybe someone can explain this to me :)

Gas prices fluctuate throughout the year - in nearly identical patterns (time of year). Now the last several years, when it fluctuates downward, it doesn't get back to the revious low, so it's continually increasing.

An economist at work says this fluctuation IS SO PREDICTICABLE that is if he'd have invested in gas futures, he'd be rich (he'd also be in jail as this is a direct "conflict of intrest"). Notice how gasoline prices are lower during the winter and higher during the summer. Now there's also a natural production fluctuation base on end product - gasoline, diesel, etc... In the winter, MORE diesel is produced than gas - heating oil is basically just #2 diesel. Heating oil is not needed during the summer, so more gasoline is produced.

You would think gas would cost MORE in the winter when the MAKE LESS of it?!? We'll see if this holds tru this winter. Regular gas has been over $3/gal in my state for a couple weeks (in remote parts of state - but in also one relatively populated remote part). Today, i notice the high in Portland (the most populated region) it was $2.95/gal.
 
The supply is tailored to meet the demand. And, although it looks fairly predictible in retro, it's the daily fluctuations that kill the average energy trader. Oils futures are a nasty bet, and best left to the professionals!

But, don't forget the real kick in the butt - Every gas company employs an army of full-time traders who's job it is to hedge against any financial losses. So, if the flow of oil slows, or the production is upset (such as from a hurricane), or people just stop buying gas - the gas company still makes money, and lots of it!
 
callgolf said:
It's high time that we put these Gulfstream environmentalists like RFK Jr. out to dry.

so we should trash the enviornment just to save a few cents/gallon ???? :confused:
 
NC is almost out of gas

State of North Carolina
Office of the Governor

Michael F. Easley
Governor


Release: IMMEDIATE Contact: Sherri Johnson
Date: 8/31/2005 Phone: (919) 733-5612


STATEMENT GIVEN TODAY BY GOV. EASLEY CONCERNING GASOLINE SUPPLY IN NORTH CAROLINA


Raleigh - THE TWO MAJOR PIPELINES THAT FURNISH GASOLINE TO MANY STATES, INCLUDING NORTH CAROLINA, HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY HURRICANE KATRINA AND ARE CURRENTLY WITHOUT ELECTRICITY. THEY SERVICE NORTH CAROLINA AND 8-10 OTHER STATES.

90 PERCENT OF OUR GAS COMES FROM THESE PIPELINES AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT OPERATIONAL.

SUPPLIERS GENERALLY HAVE A WEEK OR SO OF SUPPLY. THEY HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN SINCE THE HURRICANE.

THE PIPELINES NEED ELECTRIC SUPPLY AND THE REFINERIES THAT PRODUCE GASOLINE NEED TO MAKE URGENT REPAIRS ALSO ARE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY. THE REFINERIES THAT PRODUCE GASOLINE NEED TO MAKE URGENT REPAIRS.

CONSEQUENTLY, WE DO NOT KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A SIGNIFCANT LOSS OF GASOLINE IN THE SOUTHEAST, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM UNTIL THE ELECTRICITY IS RESTORED.

THIS IS NOT ONLY A STATE PROBLEM, THIS IS ALSO A REGIONAL AND A NATIONAL PROBLEM. WE ARE HOPING THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WILL TAKE SOME ACTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I HAVE TRIED TO GET DIRECTION FROM DOE BUT THEY HAVE NOT YET RESPONDED.

IN THE MEANTIME, I AM ASKING ALL NORTH CAROLINIANS TO CONSERVE GAS. SOME STATIONS ARE ALREADY OUT. WAIT FOR MORE INFORMATION BEFORE MAKING LABOR DAY TRAVEL PLANS.

WE ARE TAKING STEPS TO ENSURE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE THE SUPPLIES THAT THEY NEED, POLICE, FIRE AND RESCUE.

I AM IMMEDIATELY SUSPENDING ALL NON-ESSENTIAL STATE GOVERNMENT TRAVEL. I AM ASKING STATE EMPLOYEES TO CARPOOL WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

I AM ALSO ASKING ALL OUR CITIZENS TO BE SMART ABOUT THEIR FUEL CONSUMPTION.

I AM ASKING THEM TO CARPOOL IF THEY CAN AND TO LIMIT NON-ESSENTIAL ROAD TRIPS.

WE ARE NOT OUT OF GAS, BUT WE ARE RUNNING LOW.

WE MUST TAKE STEPS TO CONSERVE OUR RESOURCES WHILE WE LEARN THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PROBLEMS AND WHILE WASHINGTON WORKS TOWARD A REGIONAL AND NATIONAL STRATEGY.

WITH CAREFUL USE OF PRECIOUS FUEL, CONSUMERS CAN HELP US WEATHER THIS LATEST STORM.

NORTH CAROLINA UNDERSTANDS HURRICANES. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEM AND WE KNOW THAT WE WILL WEATHER THIS ONE AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. WE KNOW THEY CAUSE DISTRUPTION. WE JUST NEED TO KNOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND PLAN.





Office of the Governor
116 W. Jones Street, Suite 202, Raleigh , NC 27603-8001
Phone: (919) 733-5612
Fax: (919) 733-5166
An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer
 

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Since this discussion has touched upon futures trading, let me share a bit of the reality of that situation (I was a futures floor trader for several years awhile back).

For awhile now one of the factors driving prices higher has been the following scenerio:
Refiners must buy futures to cover their needs in the next few months, up to maybe a year. They go into the futures market, and ask, "What's offered?" The answer they get may be nothing is offered. Why? If you're long contracts, would you sell now knowing that an hour, or day, or week later you'll get a higher price?
So, those needing to buy begin to bid the price up to a point where they hope people will begin to sell. However, those long contracts bid right along with them in an effort to drive the price even higher, and hence increase the price of what they already hold.
So, you get an extreme imbalance going where there are LOTS of ever-increasing bids, and virtually NO offers. This is the definition of a raging bull market, and as long as bids (demand) outweigh offers (supply) prices will continue to go up.

Certainly this is not the whole story, but short-term, this is one of the major price influences.

The Sierra Club? Let's not forget that the U.S. represents about 4% of the world's population, yet consumes some 25% of its resources. Any influence that slows this excessive consumption (while attempting to do at least something to save the environment) is a good thing.
 
Pure and simple, I blame it on George W. and his "don't mess with Texas"
oil cartel buddies!

Worldspan
 
GW AND CREW !!! MOTHER FUCKERS

GOD I AM SO GLAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (MAJORITY NOW ) ARE SEEING HOW OUR PRESIDENT IF ASS FUCKING US AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
I HAVE BEEN HERE PREACHING THIS ISSUE FOR 3 YEARS.... AND FINALLY THE SHEEP ARE WAKING UP!
I COULD CARE LESS WHAT ANYONE - AND I MEAN ANYONE SAYS... NONE AND I MEAN NONE OF THE PROBLEMS(OIL – GAS - THE “FAKE” WAR ON TERROR –THE ECONOMY ALL FUCKED UP- THE JOB LOSSES ECT) WE SEE NOW WHERE TAKING PLACE UNTIL THAT FUCKING IDIOT PRESIDENT STARTED LINING HIS POCKETS IN GREED ALL IN THE NAME OF "FREEDOM" AND "DEMOCRACY".
YEEEEAHHHH THATS RIGHT PEOPLE - KEEP WAKING UP! KEEP SEEING THE TRUTH!
MOTHER FUCK THIS GOVERNMENT AND GEORGE BUSH!

JJ
 
Let us all pray for dear president Bush and ask for God's blessings upon the Bush family so that their personal fortunes increase in this time of rising oil prices. Amen and Glory !!!
 
hey, he was re-elected. and by who? hmmmm......I never voted for that yo-yo.
no war, no hard times, diminishishing deficit, little terror, jobs, booming stocks....wait...that was the clinton years.

wanna help bring prices of gas down? don't buy fuel from texaco, exxon, chevron...buy only from the cheap-o distributors..lol
 
nandro said:
hey, he was re-elected. and by who? hmmmm......I never voted for that yo-yo.
no war, no hard times, diminishishing deficit, little terror, jobs, booming stocks....wait...that was the clinton years.

wanna help bring prices of gas down? don't buy fuel from texaco, exxon, chevron...buy only from the cheap-o distributors..lol

Amen my brotha -
I would honestly DIE before i would have voted for that pile of fucking shit.
I swear on my life i would rather have Hillary Clinton - Jessie Jackson or Bob the builder as president then GW Bush!
God - i fail to see how people can be SO blind to the facts that show Bush is destroying our great nation!
Honestly i do think its fucking to late.

Look this shit -

https://rense.com/1.imagesH/charttt.jpg

To all the people on this board who have children - that is what they get to deal with. They get to "try" and clean up that fucking mess he has turned our country into.


JJ Insane1
 
it's not just Bush, it's the idiots in the congress also. except for a very few like Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. I like this guy.

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"The greatest threat facing America today is not terrorism, or foreign economic competition, or illegal immigration. The greatest threat facing America today is the disastrous fiscal policies of our own government, marked by shameless deficit spending and Federal Reserve currency devaluation."
 
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We need to wean our fossil fuel addiction and give the youth of this nation a fresh start . No longer would we be indebted to foreign countries for oil or wage wars in the name of "Democracy". Now...where do we get this money? It's sure not gonna come from the oil industry, or anyone who has stakes in the economy of the US. Everthing is based on oil gang! Take away oil and no one drives to work thus no work is done thus no one can buy goods/services thus infrastructure/economy/society erode. What your left with is a complete collapse, massive unemployment and a total class shift in the mega rich 5% controlling the remainder. How do you prepare for something like that?
 
Bob the Builder as Prez

that would be pimp

people need housing... he'll build it

peeps need hugs.. he'll be a nice guy

i like bob :)




btw... anyone wanna buy my 86 Monte Carlo SS.... it gets great gas mileage... 40mpg.. honestly :D
 
davelifter said:
it's not just Bush, it's the idiots in the congress also. except for a very few like Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. I like this guy.

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Damn skippy we need more Libertarians in office!
 

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