Fasted AM glucose and insulin sensitivity

[qbkilla]

interesting. this morning I tested twice back to back, 100 and 73. Then I went back to bed, woke up, tested again and got 93. how accurate are the cheap Walmart glucose meters? how can I get 100 and 73 minutes apart after waking fasted?

 

[Beti ona]

ive heard that cortisol can raise fasting blood sugar as well .

Yes, it will do.

 

[Beti ona]

interesting. this morning I tested twice back to back, 100 and 73. Then I went back to bed, woke up, tested again and got 93. how accurate are the cheap Walmart glucose meters? how can I get 100 and 73 minutes apart after waking fasted?

In theory, these devices should be accurate, regardless of where you get it, since diabetics will use insulin depending on what they get from their meter.

In practice, I have the same experience as you, take blood in a short space of time and get different numbers, so ... wtf!

 

[buck]

85 at the top end seems to be as high as you wanted fasted to be. Wit 70-85 being suggested. My non-fasted is usually around 80. But can range from 70-90. I would have to think how fast you can lower the glucose levels seem to be what you should want to do I would think. What your levels are after 12 hours doesn't tell you if you were unhealthy for 11 of the previous 12 hours.

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[buck]

interesting. this morning I tested twice back to back, 100 and 73. Then I went back to bed, woke up, tested again and got 93. how accurate are the cheap Walmart glucose meters? how can I get 100 and 73 minutes apart after waking fasted?

Did you drink any water in that time or take in anything else. Especially in the previus few hours.

 

[Powerlifter]

My fasted glucose in the morning has been between 103-115. I’ve tested a few times 2 hours after eating 100g carbs and its 88-90. Why wouldn’t my levels be much higher after eating so many carbs when my fasted glucose is high?

 

[greek9]

Check your a1c , theres kits at your local pharmacy .

Also Get the Freestyle libre, to check glucose in real time ($75)

Try and use low glycemic Carbs , lots of fiber and some cardio.

 

[Kaladryn]

LOL bodybuilders are not likely experiencing "dawn effect" unless they are following a ketogenic diet, and fat adapted.

If your not clearing glucose after fasting all night there is likely some underlying issues.

Several points, first I don't get the "lol" at the beginning. But besides that, medical textbooks I have read say everyone generally goes into a mild state of ketosis at night. Also, many people don't eat much in the way of carbs for their last meal or meals. Insulin resistance can be a short term physiological effect in response to low glucose, this can cause short term elevations in glucose (I have a great study on this I have shared in the past). Finally, you can get morning elevations in glucose from basically being too hungry (cortisol, gluconeogenesis). So in the case I'm talking about (mine) it's not about "clearing glucose" at all, it's about a combination of effects that can't be easily estimated. I had to see an endocrinologist who specializes in diabetes to learn all this, including doing extensive blood testing, extremely precise glucose monitoring using a continuous glucose monitor, weighing everything I eat (which I have done for the last 10 years anyway), and hunting down the best expert specialist in this area. Since doing all this, I have talked to several people who seem to have similar conditions, but I can only speak for sure of mine. Is it the same as a diabetics "dawn phenomenon"? Probably not, it presents itself in a similar way.

 

[Kaladryn]

My fasted glucose in the morning has been between 103-115. I’ve tested a few times 2 hours after eating 100g carbs and its 88-90. Why wouldn’t my levels be much higher after eating so many carbs when my fasted glucose is high?

This is almost exactly what I get, my A1C is very low, and my glucose goes down into the 70s or 80s and rarely higher than 110 shortly after meals (continuous glucose monitor), it's also low in the middle of the night. Basically I think my body demands carbs in the morning and releases cortisol due to hunger combined with perhaps some physiological insulin resistance to preserve glucose for the brain is the most likely cause (you don't have to be in full ketosis for this to happen).

 

[jeroendebleser]

Good to see you back posting Kaladryn!

 

[b-boy]

Several points, first I don't get the "lol" at the beginning. But besides that, medical textbooks I have read say everyone generally goes into a mild state of ketosis at night. Also, many people don't eat much in the way of carbs for their last meal or meals. Insulin resistance can be a short term physiological effect in response to low glucose, this can cause short term elevations in glucose (I have a great study on this I have shared in the past). Finally, you can get morning elevations in glucose from basically being too hungry (cortisol, gluconeogenesis). So in the case I'm talking about (mine) it's not about "clearing glucose" at all, it's about a combination of effects that can't be easily estimated. I had to see an endocrinologist who specializes in diabetes to learn all this, including doing extensive blood testing, extremely precise glucose monitoring using a continuous glucose monitor, weighing everything I eat (which I have done for the last 10 years anyway), and hunting down the best expert specialist in this area. Since doing all this, I have talked to several people who seem to have similar conditions, but I can only speak for sure of mine. Is it the same as a diabetics "dawn phenomenon"? Probably not, it presents itself in a similar way.

Sorry you took an LOL personal, I only laugh because most bodybuilding enorge themselves on carbohydrates then look for "other" reasons why their fasted blood glucose levels are high. This was not directed at you personally as I have no earthly idea how or what you eat!

 

[b-boy]

One way to check for DP (not totally accurate) is to wake up at around 2am and check your blood sugar (should be low). Around 4am your body starts preparing for awakening and your liver will dump glucose into your bloodstream to provide energy to get you up and moving around, so test your BG again at around 5am and see what you get.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

So is it normal then to have a blood sugar rise in the morning when you wake up? Should we not be terribly concerned if our glucose levels are low at 2am then rise by 5-6am?

@b-boy

also, do you guys suggest using 2-3 strips during a test or is just 1 strip OK? (average out 2-3 strips or is 1 strip reliable enough?)

 

[b-boy]

So is it normal then to have a blood sugar rise in the morning when you wake up? Should we not be terribly concerned if our glucose levels are low at 2am then rise by 5-6am?

@b-boy

also, do you guys suggest using 2-3 strips during a test or is just 1 strip OK? (average out 2-3 strips or is 1 strip reliable enough?)

If it's low at 2am but high at 5am or later your good!

 

[Kaladryn]

One way to check for DP (not totally accurate) is to wake up at around 2am and check your blood sugar (should be low). Around 4am your body starts preparing for awakening and your liver will dump glucose into your bloodstream to provide energy to get you up and moving around, so test your BG again at around 5am and see what you get.

I wish I would have known this trick a few years ago! I jumped through a lot of hoops and talked to several doctors before I figured this out...

 

[fitzchivalry]

Learned this formula from a Doc. HOMA-IR, Insulin resistance calculator.

Fasting insulin x fasting glucose divided by 405

Optimal range: .5-1.4

 

[SuperHeavy27]

My fasted blood glucose this morning was 72. I only check it every couple weeks on the day before my 24hr fast.
I've been on 2iu HGH fasted in the morning and 2iu HGH fasted before bed since mid September and my numbers have not moved any at all BUT I do take 500mg Metformin with breakfast and dinner.
I've been try to grow since my surgery in October but only able to eat like a bodybuilder sice about mid December.
I've been shooting for 450g protein ,150g fat and 250g carbs per day with my carbs coming in right before , during and after training with zero carbs on my rest days and a 24hr fast from 7pm Friday to 7pm Saturday.
I think the combination between lower carbs and the metformin is what keeps my fasted blood glucose low even with the 4iu HGH a day.
I personally think people eat way more carbs than needed when they could be eating more protein

F#ck l love reading your posts, can always count on gunsmith to be generous with his knowledge and truthful in actually telling you what he is doing, just want to say thanks for all your quality posts and responses over the years at PM they have helped me and I’m sure others, immensely
Hope your recovering well from surgery

 

[tornquad201]

There is something called "dawn phenomenon" in people with diabetes and my experience is that bodybuilders who have perfectly normal insulin resistance can all also experience. Basically it's when you have perfectly normal glucose levels but in the morning it still goes high for some reason. I often have high waking glucose (especially when dieting) even though my A1C is very low and my glucose is normal at other times. A1C is the way to go if you suspect this.

Also doesn’t bring in ketosis cause this

 

[Kaladryn]

Also doesn’t bring in ketosis cause this

It's pretty common and doctors don't know what exactly causes it, it may be ketosis is part of it, most people go into a mild state of ketosis every night. Also, whenever glucose is low, there is a physiological response to temporarily become insulin resistant in order to preserve glucose for the brain, this is not a pathological type of insulin resistance.

 

[Zarati]

Berberine and clayon cinnamon will help significantly