Fasted cardio(GH)

[beastmode121]

Fasted cardio is bullshit..

So who cares if you drink EAAs or not

 

[livinlean]

Fasted cardio is bullshit..

So who cares if you drink EAAs or not

So you're saying regardless of ones drug protocol, fasted cardio doesn't work?

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

Fasted cardio is bullshit..

So who cares if you drink EAAs or not

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It may have no relevance for genpop

But for a bodybuilder, who is trying to get as lean as possible, it has a role. period.

If you have a client that is trying to drop some lbs or get in better shape. They most likely need not worry about it. if they are lean and trying to get peeled. it has its place.

 

[qbkilla]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It may have no relevance for genpop

But for a bodybuilder, who is trying to get as lean as possible, it has a role. period.

If you have a client that is trying to drop some lbs or get in better shape. They most likely need not worry about it. if they are lean and trying to get peeled. it has its place.

I agree with this. Especially if yohimbine and gh are being used. Are there any studies done on people under 8 percent who have been in a defect for weeks and weeks? Just my bro science opinion but studies on untrained 17% people with man boobs aren't the same as on a lean person....also doubt a study has been done using ecy+gh. Lol

 

[Black Beard]

The theory (which is based on true physiology and data) from Lyle Mcdonald is that fasted cardio as we know releases extra catecholamines; that's adrenaline/noradrenaline.


Just like clen and ephedrine, via adrenergic receptor mechanisms, these hormones make your body let go of and burn fat as fuel. When you are very lean (Under 12% bf) your body is more stubborn at letting go of these stubborn fat deposits, so the theory is that fasted cardio via increased adrenergic/catecholamine activity will help us tapped into those stubborn bits of fat left over when you are already lean. Ephedrine is basically a synthetic analogue of adrenaline, so fasted cardio means we produce more of our own natural "EC stack" versus fed state cardio to put it simple terms.


I know there was one study done not too long ago showing that fasted cardio was in no way superior to fed cardio HOWEVER, i do not believe the subjects in the study were particularly lean and we also don't have HGH or yohimbine in the mix in that study.


I agree that for the average "normie" gym goer or person trying to get lean, fed versus fasted likely is a wash, but there might be something there for very lean individual to benefit from (If you go by many anecdotes from experience body builders and theory based on human physiology).



End of the day, keep it simple is my philosophy. If it works for you, keep doing it, if it doesn't ; throw it out.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

The theory (which is based on true physiology and data) from Lyle Mcdonald is that fasted cardio as we know releases extra catecholamines; that's adrenaline/noradrenaline.


Just like clen and ephedrine, via adrenergic receptor mechanisms, these hormones make your body let go of and burn fat as fuel. When you are very lean (Under 12% bf) your body is more stubborn at letting go of these stubborn fat deposits, so the theory is that fasted cardio via increased adrenergic/catecholamine activity will help us tapped into those stubborn bits of fat left over when you are already lean. Ephedrine is basically a synthetic analogue of adrenaline, so fasted cardio means we produce more of our own natural "EC stack" versus fed state cardio to put it simple terms.


I know there was one study done not too long ago showing that fasted cardio was in no way superior to fed cardio HOWEVER, i do not believe the subjects in the study were particularly lean and we also don't have HGH or yohimbine in the mix in that study.


I agree that for the average "normie" gym goer or person trying to get lean, fed versus fasted likely is a wash, but there might be something there for very lean individual to benefit from (If you go by many anecdotes from experience body builders and theory based on human physiology).



End of the day, keep it simple is my philosophy. If it works for you, keep doing it, if it doesn't ; throw it out.

additionally part of the reason that the body holds on stubborn fat is due to poor blood flow to those areas. You need blood flow to mobilize the fatty acids out of the fat cell and transport them to the mitochondria to be burned as fuel. You need both mechanisms. If you just mobilize fatty acids and they don't transport well, then they just put back in the fat cell and re-stored. Doing cardio in a fasted state with as little circulating insulin as possible will ensure the fatty acids can be mobilized.. picture insulin as the gate guard for the fat cell. He decides the fat cell opens and releases the fatty acids. Higher circulating insulin will prevent the fat cell from opening, and poor blood flow prevents it from transporting. This is also evident because the usual places that men and women store their respective stubborn fast are areas with poor blood flow, lower abs, low back, ass, and sometimes thighs on guys as well. I mean hell I have a fat ass until I'm like 3 weeks out. So when you are fasting, there is little circulating insulin (there is always some) to stand in the way of the body mobilizing the fatty acids, and when you add yohimbine HCL, which increases blood flow (originally marketed as an ED supplement) helps increase the chances of better mobility of the fatty acid to the mitochondria. When you drink EAA there can be an increase in insulin.

As mentioned if you are genpop not trying to get peeled, you most likely have plenty of "easy" to mobilize and transport fat deposits so it becomes necessary. Though there is no real harm in doing it. Some people just like to do it fasted for a multitude of reasons. It is also the reason why Yohimbine HCL is not really a necessary supplement when just starting out with a lot of fat to lose. Especially considering it has some side facts that some cannot simply tolerate how bad it makes them feel. Even the slightest bit of elevated insulin can negate the mobilization dn transportation benefits from Yohimbine HCL, so it is best to only drink water or black coffee prior to the cardio. I don't even fuck with artificially sweetened zero-cal stuff. Yohimbine HCL is best when paired with 2G L-Tyrosine and 200mg caffeine. The formula for yohimbine is .2mg per kg of body weight and

 

[Black Beard]

additionally part of the reason that the body holds on stubborn fat is due to poor blood flow to those areas. You need blood flow to mobilize the fatty acids out of the fat cell and transport them to the mitochondria to be burned as fuel. You need both mechanisms. If you just mobilize fatty acids and they don't transport well, then they just put back in the fat cell and re-stored. Doing cardio in a fasted state with as little circulating insulin as possible will ensure the fatty acids can be mobilized.. picture insulin as the gate guard for the fat cell. He decides the fat cell opens and releases the fatty acids. Higher circulating insulin will prevent the fat cell from opening, and poor blood flow prevents it from transporting. This is also evident because the usual places that men and women store their respective stubborn fast are areas with poor blood flow, lower abs, low back, ass, and sometimes thighs on guys as well. I mean hell I have a fat ass until I'm like 3 weeks out. So when you are fasting, there is little circulating insulin (there is always some) to stand in the way of the body mobilizing the fatty acids, and when you add yohimbine HCL, which increases blood flow (originally marketed as an ED supplement) helps increase the chances of better mobility of the fatty acid to the mitochondria. When you drink EAA there can be an increase in insulin.

As mentioned if you are genpop not trying to get peeled, you most likely have plenty of "easy" to mobilize and transport fat deposits so it becomes necessary. Though there is no real harm in doing it. Some people just like to do it fasted for a multitude of reasons. It is also the reason why Yohimbine HCL is not really a necessary supplement when just starting out with a lot of fat to lose. Especially considering it has some side facts that some cannot simply tolerate how bad it makes them feel. Even the slightest bit of elevated insulin can negate the mobilization dn transportation benefits from Yohimbine HCL, so it is best to only drink water or black coffee prior to the cardio. I don't even fuck with artificially sweetened zero-cal stuff. Yohimbine HCL is best when paired with 2G L-Tyrosine and 200mg caffeine. The formula for yohimbine is .2mg per kg of body weight and

Yes sir. Stubborn fat has high levels of alpha adrenergic receptors (Type 2) these are basically brakes for fat loss, whilst beta receptors are the gas pedal (clenbuterol/ephedrine).


Yohimbine HCL is a potent alpha-adrenergic type 2 receptor ANTAGONIST so it makes the stubborn fat less stubborn. The stuff is amazing but can have weird psych effects in some people. It's like herbal viagra and can even boost libido, but also anxiety fuel for others.


As we get leaner, our Free T3 levels and leptin levels also plummet, making the body more resistant to fat loss and lowering circulation to fat cells and release of fat cells for fuel. Personally i never needed fasted cardio to get very lean, but combined with yohimbine HCL, you can really torch fat in a deficit once you are lean. I don't do it anymore and just stay lean year round.

 

[beastmode121]

So you're saying regardless of ones drug protocol, fasted cardio doesn't work?

It does work but not any different than doing it anytime of the day.

 

[beastmode121]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It may have no relevance for genpop

But for a bodybuilder, who is trying to get as lean as possible, it has a role. period.

If you have a client that is trying to drop some lbs or get in better shape. They most likely need not worry about it. if they are lean and trying to get peeled. it has its place.

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It’s bro science, and if it’s a bodybuilder or not; it does the same thing, burn calories.

Nothing burns fat cells instantly. You don’t get off the cardio machine 2 pounds less of fat.

Fasted cardio isn’t liposuction

 

[qbkilla]

additionally part of the reason that the body holds on stubborn fat is due to poor blood flow to those areas. You need blood flow to mobilize the fatty acids out of the fat cell and transport them to the mitochondria to be burned as fuel. You need both mechanisms. If you just mobilize fatty acids and they don't transport well, then they just put back in the fat cell and re-stored. Doing cardio in a fasted state with as little circulating insulin as possible will ensure the fatty acids can be mobilized.. picture insulin as the gate guard for the fat cell. He decides the fat cell opens and releases the fatty acids. Higher circulating insulin will prevent the fat cell from opening, and poor blood flow prevents it from transporting. This is also evident because the usual places that men and women store their respective stubborn fast are areas with poor blood flow, lower abs, low back, ass, and sometimes thighs on guys as well. I mean hell I have a fat ass until I'm like 3 weeks out. So when you are fasting, there is little circulating insulin (there is always some) to stand in the way of the body mobilizing the fatty acids, and when you add yohimbine HCL, which increases blood flow (originally marketed as an ED supplement) helps increase the chances of better mobility of the fatty acid to the mitochondria. When you drink EAA there can be an increase in insulin.

As mentioned if you are genpop not trying to get peeled, you most likely have plenty of "easy" to mobilize and transport fat deposits so it becomes necessary. Though there is no real harm in doing it. Some people just like to do it fasted for a multitude of reasons. It is also the reason why Yohimbine HCL is not really a necessary supplement when just starting out with a lot of fat to lose. Especially considering it has some side facts that some cannot simply tolerate how bad it makes them feel. Even the slightest bit of elevated insulin can negate the mobilization dn transportation benefits from Yohimbine HCL, so it is best to only drink water or black coffee prior to the cardio. I don't even fuck with artificially sweetened zero-cal stuff. Yohimbine HCL is best when paired with 2G L-Tyrosine and 200mg caffeine. The formula for yohimbine is .2mg per kg of body weight and

Even a zero calorie energy drink would fuck the protocol up? I believe 8 oz black coffee has 5 calories, so 20 or 200mg would have about 12 calories?

 

[jeroendebleser]

I agree with this. Especially if yohimbine and gh are being used. Are there any studies done on people under 8 percent who have been in a defect for weeks and weeks? Just my bro science opinion but studies on untrained 17% people with man boobs aren't the same as on a lean person....also doubt a study has been done using ecy+gh. Lol

That's also true.

People with man boobs lmao

 

[jeroendebleser]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It’s bro science, and if it’s a bodybuilder or not; it does the same thing, burn calories.

Nothing burns fat cells instantly. You don’t get off the cardio machine 2 pounds less of fat.

Fasted cardio isn’t liposuction

Agreed

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It’s bro science, and if it’s a bodybuilder or not; it does the same thing, burn calories.

Nothing burns fat cells instantly. You don’t get off the cardio machine 2 pounds less of fat.

Fasted cardio isn’t liposuction

read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss? -

Fasted cardio refers to the idea of doing aerobic activity first thing in the morning after an overnight "fast" (i.e. not having eaten for some period of time, perhaps 10-12 hours). Hence fasted cardio. This is not a new idea although I couldn't tell you when it really came into vogue in the...

bodyrecomposition.com

then read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss: Part 2 -

The study took 20 women who reported performing aerobic activity several times per week. The paper states that "several were off-season track and field athletes" but no indication is given of how many it was. I mean, I take several to mean more than one but less than a few. Maybe 3? Four? I...

bodyrecomposition.com

you'll still say I am wrong though, because, who doesn't die on their hill?

 

[D-NUTZ]

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but, you are misinformed about fasted cardio.

It’s bro science, and if it’s a bodybuilder or not; it does the same thing, burn calories.

Nothing burns fat cells instantly. You don’t get off the cardio machine 2 pounds less of fat.

Fasted cardio isn’t liposuction

Fasted cardio itself might not be more beneficial than fed cardio…

But utilizing certain fat burning drugs and supplements that require a fasted or basal insulin for fatty acid release. GH and yohimbine come to mind here.

So doing cardio in a fasted state while using drugs like these is definitely more beneficial and will lead to more fat loss over time than other forms

 

[beastmode121]

read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss? -

Fasted cardio refers to the idea of doing aerobic activity first thing in the morning after an overnight "fast" (i.e. not having eaten for some period of time, perhaps 10-12 hours). Hence fasted cardio. This is not a new idea although I couldn't tell you when it really came into vogue in the...

bodyrecomposition.com

then read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss: Part 2 -

The study took 20 women who reported performing aerobic activity several times per week. The paper states that "several were off-season track and field athletes" but no indication is given of how many it was. I mean, I take several to mean more than one but less than a few. Maybe 3? Four? I...

bodyrecomposition.com

you'll still say I am wrong though, because, who doesn't die on their hill?

I can go back and forth with you with studies I’ve read as well, layne Norton articles and YouTubes, Jeff nippard videos with extensive research.. but that’s boring

But I’m a bodybuilder myself and I was caught into this same hype of fasted cardio as well. I did it for few shows

Then I couldn’t do fasted anymore and I was Stuck doing cardio post training, or late nights before bed

And what I found out is .. 0 difference.
You can’t use bodybuilders for research when 99% do cardio to lose weight, are on every anabolic, Clen, t3, Proviron, winstrol, Var.. so what is doing what exactly? Is it your fasted cardio or your extra 20mcg of Clen that made a difference in your physique

 

[Black Beard]

Fasted cardio itself might not be more beneficial than fed cardio…

But utilizing certain fat burning drugs and supplements that require a fasted or basal insulin for fatty acid release. GH and yohimbine come to mind here.

So doing cardio in a fasted state while using drugs like these is definitely more beneficial and will lead to more fat loss over time than other forms

Yeah, that's pretty much the way i see it.

For your normie gym goer, it's not the magic ticket all the clickbait news articles will tell them it is.

 

[beastmode121]

Fasted cardio itself might not be more beneficial than fed cardio…

But utilizing certain fat burning drugs and supplements that require a fasted or basal insulin for fatty acid release. GH and yohimbine come to mind here.

So doing cardio in a fasted state while using drugs like these is definitely more beneficial and will lead to more fat loss over time than other forms

How isn’t those drugs are utilized the same or better in post workout cardio sessions?

 

[beastmode121]

read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss? -

Fasted cardio refers to the idea of doing aerobic activity first thing in the morning after an overnight "fast" (i.e. not having eaten for some period of time, perhaps 10-12 hours). Hence fasted cardio. This is not a new idea although I couldn't tell you when it really came into vogue in the...

bodyrecomposition.com

then read this

Is Fasted Cardio Useless for Fat Loss: Part 2 -

The study took 20 women who reported performing aerobic activity several times per week. The paper states that "several were off-season track and field athletes" but no indication is given of how many it was. I mean, I take several to mean more than one but less than a few. Maybe 3? Four? I...

bodyrecomposition.com

you'll still say I am wrong though, because, who doesn't die on their hill?

“

Their Discussion​

In the discussion, the paper looks at some of the same science I described above, lists the limitations including the issue of food self-reporting. They mention that both groups lost less fat than predicted so they probably did under-report their true calorie intake. It’s impossible to say if one group underreported by more than another. They also acknowledge that the women might have done extra cardio outside of the study.”


That’s why I take studies with a grain of salt.

 

[qbkilla]

How isn’t those drugs are utilized the same or better in post workout cardio sessions?

Because post workout you won't be fasted assuming you ate pre. Insulin will blunt the yohimbine and glucose will be burnt not the fatty acids gh is releasing (taking a guess here)

 

[beastmode121]

Because post workout you won't be fasted assuming you ate pre. Insulin will blunt the yohimbine and glucose will be burnt not the fatty acids gh is releasing (taking a guess here)

I don’t think a lot of you realize that energy balance is what makes you lose fat, not whatever you’re burning at that moment doing cardio.