First Injection complete! I few questions too.

Pump2356 · Jul 1, 2007

Hey guys,

I did my first injection this morning. I wrote about a week ago about how horrible my practice attempts went. Well, the real thing went pretty smooth I felt.

I warmed up the enanthate by norma by placing it in a cup of hot water like guys said to do and it wasn't as thick. After I did all the rest of the prep work, the drawing was a little shaky literally...I was so nervous drawing and it seemed to be very hard to draw since my wrist and hand were so tight . after I got most of it in as it was exactly 1ml and couldn't get any more to suck in. I put the needle in and just felt a pinch , pulled back slightly and a few bubbles came in but no blood so I just injected and that is when I became very relaxed and it took about 45 seconds to a minute to get it in but didn;t feel any pain that I thought I would. after I pulled out there wasn't any blood except a little on the pad.

My question is, I used spot injections site( i believe that is the site) and used the side /near top of the quad as it was the best angle i could use, so I somewhat had a different angle but not quite straight up angle . Is this fine seeing as most deminstrations use a 90 degree angle at the middle of the side of the leg?? And I used the edge of the quad ?

Also, I been debating if I should just do 250mg every 5th day injections instead of twice a week at a total of 500mg since I'm new to all of this?I'm trying to put on the most quality muscle mass and I don't know if my body even needs that much and might be wasted as more water weight since I'm only 5'5 173

Thanks!!

marooned · Jul 1, 2007

Glad things went smooth for you. After reading your post I want to recommend that you change the pin after you load the syringe. Just touching the bottom of the amp while you are sucking out the oil will dull the pin enough to make it hurt more than it should. Pins are cheap man and it's worth it.
I inject my thigh too and have used the pics on spot injections for a guide. Stick with the angle they show and the area they show to use. It is the safest and a couple of times I got too far up on the thigh I had some pain from hitting nerves when I poked. Not a big deal I just had to remove and stick again about 2" lower. You will know if you hit a nerve from the sharp pain and maybe muscle twitch on the initial poke. I also changed the pin before I tried again.
I didn't see if you were using Sust or Test E. If it's Sust you could get away with one inject a week. For any longer ester Test, like C or E I would inject twice a week.
The amounts you are talking about are good either way. You will make gains off 250/wk and you will make gains at 500/wk. If you want to start at 250 give it 3 wks before you decide to up or not. IMO you would be safe at 500/wk but if you are making gains stick with what you are doing. There will be more cycles later to up it if needed.
Good Luck!

Pump2356 · Jul 1, 2007

marooned said:
Glad things went smooth for you. After reading your post I want to recommend that you change the pin after you load the syringe. Just touching the bottom of the amp while you are sucking out the oil will dull the pin enough to make it hurt more than it should. Pins are cheap man and it's worth it.
I inject my thigh too and have used the pics on spot injections for a guide. Stick with the angle they show and the area they show to use. It is the safest and a couple of times I got too far up on the thigh I had some pain from hitting nerves when I poked. Not a big deal I just had to remove and stick again about 2" lower. You will know if you hit a nerve from the sharp pain and maybe muscle twitch on the initial poke. I also changed the pin before I tried again.
I didn't see if you were using Sust or Test E. If it's Sust you could get away with one inject a week. For any longer ester Test, like C or E I would inject twice a week.
The amounts you are talking about are good either way. You will make gains off 250/wk and you will make gains at 500/wk. If you want to start at 250 give it 3 wks before you decide to up or not. IMO you would be safe at 500/wk but if you are making gains stick with what you are doing. There will be more cycles later to up it if needed.
Good Luck!

Yeah I changed the needle. I drew with a 22g 1.5 inch needle and then switched the top to a 25, 1 inch needle. The struggle for me is getting the oil in, I keep ending up a little short or right on the mark during pratice and th real thing, so I probably losed some during the procedure getting stuck in the syringe.
My quads are literally deformed with so much muscle bulk for some reason as my upper body is so small..don't know if that helps with the injection for me for quads...

I am using testosterone enanthate by norma hellas. I was thinking of doing every 5th day for 10 weeks so I can get an average of 375ish for the total. Would it be very bad if I did that for steady blood levels ? I thought sustanon needed to be injected more a week and not cyp or enanthate?

If I inject only once a week, I get 250 or twice a week then 500 since I am dealing with little brown amps

This way I thought I could get in-between without having to go so high at 500mg a week.

Thanks

doug1 · Jul 1, 2007

i think your splitting hairs abit with the dosing frequency, as for trouble with getting the fluid in, make sure the needle is not being bent at all, too much will greatly restrict the flow, so be sure it's exactly perpendicular to the skin

thebrick · Jul 1, 2007

once every 5 days will be just fine.

marooned · Jul 2, 2007

Agree every 5 days would work fine. I use a 23 gauge on glute and thigh shots and a 25 gauge for delts. Try a larger gauge pin and slow and steady pressure.

Pump2356 · Jul 2, 2007

marooned said:
Agree every 5 days would work fine. I use a 23 gauge on glute and thigh shots and a 25 gauge for delts. Try a larger gauge pin and slow and steady pressure.

Okay next cycle I might try the 23 gauge. shooting with a 25 was actually fine. The drawing was a pain even with a 22g, I think it had mostly to do with how tense I was and my hands were shaking and tight. The actually injection with the 25g I became very relaxed and it went rather smooth. Except when I asiprated and that kinda pinched because I used too much force I think to pull the plunger back with my other hand, that the needle went up and down slightly enough to cause minor discomfort.

But yeah every 5th day is what I am going to do.

ALLEX · Jul 2, 2007

I'd stick with glutes and delts myself...

Pump2356 · Jul 3, 2007

Just a quick update...it's been about 24hours after my first injection and now my quad is super sore! Is this normal for pharmaceutical enanthate ? It was by norma hellas if that matters. I didn't rub the injection site after my shot, not sure it that is necessary because I read contradicting views on it. I can walk fine , but it feels as bad as the the days after leg day and I have leg day coming up on wednesday. I took off the band-aid this morning and no brusing or swelling, just the red dot from the injection. So I guess I'm okay?

Would it be a bad idea to train my legs this wed. if I'm still sore? My trainer will get pissed if I can't since it would throw off the entire 5 day a week program.

Thanks!!

thebrick · Jul 3, 2007

quads are the one spot that can make me sore too. Don't know why. If its not warm or red or swollen I am sure you are fine especially with pharmaceutical grade gear. Try a hot pack or ibprophen and train those legs like a crazed wombat on Wed.!

Blitzkrieg · Jul 3, 2007

When I first started injecting myself I did my quads because it was easier for me to reach and half the time I would end up with soreness. These days I stick with my glutes. The easiest way I've found is to 1/2 way sit on your bathroom sink (leaning against it more than sitting) so your butt's kind of pushed up and relaxed, reach around and poke using the mirror as a guide.