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Everybody used para back then.. literally everybody. It was the key to getting the last polish before stageHaha @luki7788 you are right, he said he used parabolan here.
Everybody used para back then.. literally everybody. It was the key to getting the last polish before stageHaha @luki7788 you are right, he said he used parabolan here.
Are you still against the use of UDCA/TUDCA while on 17alpha-alkylated AAS?How many kg body weight was the strongman at this time, at his peak? How is he doing today health-wise? I hope perfectly well.
100 mg daily Anadrol isn't ludicrous in my opinion, just a tad high for long-term use, unlike 3X that already high dose.
For myself the growth from Anadrol pretty much capped at 100mg. But I found that if you took higher dosages it added a little extra strength, and a little was a lot when you thought you might have already maxed out years ago. A few years ago when I tried to peak my deadlift I took 25mg on weekends then 50mg on monday and increasing by 50mg a day until I took 250mg on friday which was deadlift day. If I happened to have some small quantities of other orals I threw that in as well. I went like this for at least 6 months. I was afraid of the 200+ doses so I tried to compensate by doing less on the other days. I think it worked, I hit about 770 at over 40. There was another thing involved that all of a sudden gave an "impossible" strength boost and that was mk-677. I think due to the dangerous amount of water it made me retain. Perhaps it was the appetite too. But I don't think any amount of additional steroids would have helped as much as the mk at that point in time.M.P., yes. OK. So I find that he was competing at 142 kg around 2008. That is, at a dose of 300 mg/d, a 2.11 mg/kg daily dose. It's high. It's comparable to 179.5 mg/d for an 85 kg bodybuilder in relative terms. That should still strike you as high; but do understand that 300 mg/d for a 142 kg beast is different than 300 mg/d for an 85 kg human. And then, compute the fact that he dominated the highest levels of a brutal strength sport, and you rather have not and will not. Take off 67% for sheer brute force of nature that you lack if you're honest with yourself, and you're left with .7 mg/kg daily, or about 60 mg/d for an 85 kg bodybuilder as juuuust right.
I used 300g of Syntex Anadrol for a while when I was 20 and very foolish.How many kg body weight was the strongman at this time, at his peak? How is he doing today health-wise? I hope perfectly well.
100 mg daily Anadrol isn't ludicrous in my opinion, just a tad high for long-term use, unlike 3X that already high dose.
I think the Winstrols and Anavars are still the "choices" and the dosages of those have just increased on average. What changed at some point was the test dosages specifically. I even think there was a very specific point and that was the death of Munzer and his cycle plan found on him, the average test "base" really shot up because guys found it did add extra size. I remember Dan Duchaine saying something like, "wait, what the hell's going on here, test at 3.5 grams a week?" That's the point where things changed a little as far as cycle design. Relatively nontoxic but relatively powerful anabolic, so it made sense if you were going to increase total dosage.
I remember Chad saying Nasser really really loved Winstrol and did a lot of it, but Nasser also apparently told people the testosterone dose was astronomical. Nasser joked around a lot but I'm positive the test was up there.
This was in 93. Maybe GH was only pharma and only extremely expensive3-5g for him is very likely but I don't believe he didn't use tren etc but maybe it's offseason cycle - gh dosage is ridiculous it's not even hrt
There's probably lots of performance enhancing drugs in the form of intoxicants, stimulants, alcohol, weed, beta blockers, etc, in pro sports.How do you explain the downsized physiques in pro sports? None look juiced-juiced, there are no specimens where it's obvious the person in question got absolute free reign of his juicing. Pro sports, UFC, Olympics, even entertainment wrestling. How come absolutely NONE manage to NOT grow huge and extremely juiced looking? To me it appears there are heavy controls nowadays
There's probably lots of performance enhancing drugs in the form of intoxicants, stimulants, alcohol, weed, beta blockers, etc, in pro sports.
But I don't think there's much of any real steroid use among the top stars. At least not nowadays.
If you keep watching after he said this Dennis says no tren, then Chris talks, and Flex says he used parabolan, which is tren.
He's not the first guy that didn't think parabolan was tren. Anyways he used parabolan for 93 Arnold. I'd rather look like that than Dorian, despite being a mass monster. Good episode.
Yes those doses are really high for back then. Not so uncommon today. An in the know person told me flexs ex said he missed meals workouts and sleep but never doses. Guilty of that myself so no judge here.What resonates most for me here is the choices of drugs. Dosages sound fair too.
Competing around that time, the low test, high Deca, lots of Winstrol, Anavar, and perhaps some Negma Parabolan sounds about right. I understand that Dennis Newman liked Winstrol as well (I think Zwick mentioned this to me (?)) and I think the choices had something to do with the look of the physiques back then.
Wasn't finaject discontinued in 1987? I know they took parabolin off in 1997. Russian GH and rhesus monkey GH were big back then as you stated huma and genotropin were very expensive and I had the dough to get some but it had to be special ordered from a hospital pharmacy. I was going to an old mom and pop pharmacy and he would give you endless refills of steris deca test c e p suspension and B12.Funny when these guys say "we didn't use big dosages" and then the cycle they use to prove it ends up being 3+ grams.
Remember, this is their attempt to prove they didn't use big dosages.
This was in 93. Maybe GH was only pharma and only extremely expensive
Yea I would rather look like flex myself than any bodybuilder of all timeIf you keep watching after he said this Dennis says no tren, then Chris talks, and Flex says he used parabolan, which is tren.
He's not the first guy that didn't think parabolan was tren. Anyways he used parabolan for 93 Arnold. I'd rather look like that than Dorian, despite being a mass monster. Good episode.
"Finajet" was a veterinarian steroid that was discontinued in 1986. It was made by Hoechst-Roussell, and it came in 50ml bottles, with each ml having a concentration of 30mg. There were smaller bottles for smaller animals. I believe it was sold in both England and France. Finiplix was approved in 1993 for cattle implants. Years later, like 2000's, a lot of sources sold Tren Ace under various names, one being the one you mentioned above, FIna-ject. Many also spelled Finajet wrong and spelled it with having the "c" in the name.A little before my time but I thought Fina-ject
Was the cattle implants converted?
I remember Mike king having that fina-ject with the shiny silver label.
Funny they all went to the same guys house
And did t tell each other what they were using. My buddies were the same way when I was starting. I knew what- some of what-
But not how much they were realllly taking.
Man finaplix was like $30 a cartridge and you could just walk into tractor supply which always restocked on tuesday and you'd run into "friends" Ive also bought it from various vet supply stores. I think its like over 100 now for the same shit plus added hoops to go through. i remember component th but i thought that had estrogen in it but I could be wrong as i would have to google it to be sure. i remember the whatman syringe filters and having to apply pressure on those things....man that sucked"Finajet" was a veterinarian steroid that was discontinued in 1986. It was made by Hoechst-Roussell, and it came in 50ml bottles, with each ml having a concentration of 30mg. There were smaller bottles for smaller animals. I believe it was sold in both England and France. Finiplix was approved in 1993 for cattle implants. Years later, like 2000's, a lot of sources sold Tren Ace under various names, one being the one you mentioned above, FIna-ject. Many also spelled Finajet wrong and spelled it with having the "c" in the name.
I think after the first couple of years, most were buying the pellets as component-th rather than the name brand of Finiplix, which costed a lot more.
Its also counterproductive to be huge in most sports. Bigger,stronger and faster Yes. Bodybuilding big. Not so much.How do you explain the downsized physiques in pro sports? None look juiced-juiced, there are no specimens where it's obvious the person in question got absolute free reign of his juicing. Pro sports, UFC, Olympics, even entertainment wrestling. How come absolutely NONE manage to NOT grow huge and extremely juiced looking? To me it appears there are heavy controls nowadays
I'll admit I read Flex's autobiography when it came out. This was before the internet blew up jtlyk. Anyway, Flex mentioned how he would just quit bodybuilding during his preps for shows for weeks and then get a pep talk and all of a sudden try to make up for lost time. I'm sure this behavior led to occasional megadoses. It could be his cycle is what he mentioned but didn't mentioning the times he did something crazy to make up for lost time.i'm just gonna throw this out there... when i was working at koloseum gym flex was training for his last show. when he was supposedly "natural" he was definitely downsized but my goodness. you should see his work outs. he would sit on the hammer strnegth chest press and it had 2 plates a side. he'd do some some reps. sit there for a few minutes. do another set.... meanwhile shawn ray and milos were training partners then and they were working hard and shawn was pushing milos for his show he was prepping for. flex didnt work out with em cuz he didnt have to try hard. milos even came over to me and said look at that he doesnt even have to try...
i wouldnt believe it unless i saw it.