Food for Thought

[MassMachine]

A freind of mine just got out of jail after 5 yrs. Just seen him yesterday. Did not even know it was the same guy. Went in 182 16% fat, came out 203 10% fat.
Is what we eat that important? Maybe we worry to much on diet as he grew lost fat on 3 squares. Things like french toast, pancakes, fried steak, spagetti,salsbary steak,meatloaf ect.

There wasnt the 6-8 meals a day, 400gr of protein,supplements ect.

He said all of the guys in there he worked out with increased their lean bodymass and lost considerable fat.

Maybe all this worring about ratios, protein and supps are not needed. As long ass your body is provided with enough cals and nutrients and the right amount of stimulation, activity and rest results will come.

MM

 

[AWN2004]

Its strange to think about but it does boggle the mind a little. When I got out of college, I hit the weights pretty hard because I really didn't have anything else to do in my free time. From July to December of that year I put on close to 25 pounds and I could now see my abs clearly. I was making jack squat as far as money was concerned and I was only eating about 3 times per day. I will say this though.....it took me forever to recover. I was so sore after my training sessions it was insane. I really pushed myself and therefore I grew. However, I wonder what would have happend if I would have known what I do now.

 

[MAINEVENT]

A freind of mine just got out of jail after 5 yrs. Just seen him yesterday. Did not even know it was the same guy. Went in 182 16% fat, came out 203 10% fat.
Is what we eat that important? Maybe we worry to much on diet as he grew lost fat on 3 squares. Things like french toast, pancakes, fried steak, spagetti,salsbary steak,meatloaf ect.

There wasnt the 6-8 meals a day, 400gr of protein,supplements ect.

He said all of the guys in there he worked out with increased their lean bodymass and lost considerable fat.

Maybe all this worring about ratios, protein and supps are not needed. As long ass your body is provided with enough cals and nutrients and the right amount of stimulation, activity and rest results will come.

MM

I think it was more of just eating, training and sleeping and having nothing else to do.

 

[mammoth]

More importantly it is what they are NOT eating. No Fast food and all the other junk crap that you can cheat with on the outside. I have never had prison food, but I do know that they have nutrionists who develop meal plans, so its not like they are choosing from a large menu. Aside from that, most inmates participate in physical activities and the work they perform is usually hard labor work. No sitting at a desk all day typing on a computer. This all stems of course from documentaries so I am by no means an expert. I could be wrong.

Diet DOES matter. I am sure many people here can say that training and eating junk does not get you far. Plus there is scientific evidence linking the importance of diet in a training regimen.

 

[Moen]

Diet is definately overrated, perhaps for extreme ectomorophs it does matter that much but at least for me, it does not.

I gain when I train and I do not have to eat large amounts of food for that cause, so I just eat when I feel like it and when I'm hungry (go by feel, you don't need as much calories on one day as you'll need on another, of this I am sure)

 

[BIGKIWI]

Diet is definately overrated, perhaps for extreme ectomorophs it does matter that much but at least for me, it does not.

I gain when I train and I do not have to eat large amounts of food for that cause, so I just eat when I feel like it and when I'm hungry (go by feel, you don't need as much calories on one day as you'll need on another, of this I am sure)

I hear what you are saying but I could gurantee that if you did eat large amounts of the right food you would increase your gains. I would rather do the hard work and get the most gains possible than limit them

 

[Ivan]

well

Diet is definately overrated, perhaps for extreme ectomorophs it does matter that much but at least for me, it does not.

I gain when I train and I do not have to eat large amounts of food for that cause, so I just eat when I feel like it and when I'm hungry (go by feel, you don't need as much calories on one day as you'll need on another, of this I am sure)

You are shorting yourself out bro! Listen, diet IS UNDERATED....Yes, it is really is. It makes ALL the difference, I know where you are coming from, but if you want to see gains where you literally explode in size, you have to feed that machine, feed it and it will grow....like a plant... If you do not water (food) it enough it gets "skinny" and lanky. Then if you fertilize it (juice) it really takes off. See what I mean?

 

[jimboaldis]

Maybe if he had the diet he might have come out at 220lbs, 5%

Just a thought.

 

[Moen]

Guys guys, I know I'll gain more when I eat more, but I'll gain a lot more fat too, I think this is what mm wanted to say to, it's the relation fat to muscle gain that differs dramatically (at least in my case it is).

Besides I never said I'm undereating, I just eat when I feel like eating and certainly not by the clock (anymore), one day that can equal 4000 cals, another 3000, another 2500 and then the day after perhaps 5000, I listen to my body and eat when it tells me to

 

[IRON MAN]

First of all this is the same scenario as the guy who has never done much in the way of exercises, joins the the military, starts exercising and eating only 3 healthy square meals per day, and comes out being leaner and much bigger. So I think it has to do with the fact that this guy in prison was not used to training and we all know that when you first start, impressive gains can be made by eating wrong and severly overtraining but as one progresses things have to change a bit if more growth is to be expected. For example; drug intake and diet or more of both.

Also keep in mind the guy in jail was not using anabolics and non-steroid users do not require such a large amount of protein as a steroid user because carbs are the more imporant nutrient for overall gains with a natural athlete. Steroids increase the rate of "PROTEIN SYNTHESIS" therefore your needs for protein increase above that of a natural trainer.

I do feel these super high protein are over-rated because the supplement industry is pushing it to make a profit. It's the same scenario as the oil companies saying everyone need to get an oil change in your vehicle every 3,000 miles when test have determined every 7500 miles is adequate. The more protein powders one consumes and the more times you get the oil changed in your vehicle the more "MONEY" they make!!!!!

But eveyone responds differently to both diet and drugs so if you can grow on 150 grams of protein then thats good for you, but if 150 grams of protein along with adequate calories, training and drug intake is not working, then more of the same (150 grams of protein per day) is never gonna work for you..So my advise is always to EXPERIMENT and not take what others say as the GOSPEL.

 

[Putin]

More importantly it is what they are NOT eating. No Fast food and all the other junk crap that you can cheat with on the outside. I have never had prison food, but I do know that they have nutrionists who develop meal plans, so its not like they are choosing from a large menu. Aside from that, most inmates participate in physical activities and the work they perform is usually hard labor work. No sitting at a desk all day typing on a computer. This all stems of course from documentaries so I am by no means an expert. I could be wrong.

Diet DOES matter. I am sure many people here can say that training and eating junk does not get you far. Plus there is scientific evidence linking the importance of diet in a training regimen.

You're kidding yourself. Nutritious food in prison? Try McDonalds food in prison. My wife's brother just came out after five years; all they ate was junk food and the prisons now are taking away free weights from them and limiting them to machines.

 

[Putin]

I do feel these super high protein are over-rated because the supplement industry is pushing it to make a profit. It's the same scenario as the oil companies saying everyone need to get an oil change in your vehicle every 3,000 miles when test have determined every 7500 miles is adequate. The more protein powders one consumes and the more times you get the oil changed in your vehicle the more "MONEY" they make!!!!!

Sorry bro but you are wrong on this one. VW just sent a letter to everyone saying to change their oil every 3,000miles instead of 7,000 as recommended by them. The reason was, the cars were breaking down. The way we drive now is stop and go, it's a lot of tear on the oil and it breaks down fast; depending on which you use and how fast you drive.

But you are right about the nutrition companies pushing their products, the more they recommend use the faster people will spend and buy more.

 

[jahras12]

truthfully , I dont think it is diet. Diet does help the people who want to be the best and want to gain more muscle and know all about bodybuilding, but i think it was the time and consistency he put in that got him there. My trainer, who was a powerlifter and in the army for a couple of years, ate like shit and still does, but he gained so much muscle in the last ten years from just training consistently, and looks unreal imo. I wouldnt train with him if I did not think so. The person that sticks with lifting intensely the longest wins out in the long run- you got to eat no matter what- it is a part of surviving-training seperates us from the normal population

 

[RazorCuts]

I think the calories that he was eating suited his needs. Im sure not everyone would make those gains. If a guy at 250 was eating the same diet i bet it would be hard for him to maintain or gain depending of course on his activity and metabolism.
The foods you listed are not bad foods and do supply the body with decent nutrients.
Plus people can get many things in prison including supps.

RC

 

[C_Horse]

Prison gains and oil changes

I had a trouble spell maybe 10 yrs ago and wound up in the state pen. I think what you see in your friend is the huge difference in the way he was taking care of himself outside vs inside. Lots of guys make progress inside that they wouldn't outside because of time, rest, less junk food and dope, and especially because there is more of a workout atmosphere.

I gained maybe 10 lbs but certainly was plateauing. One of the guys a met in there helped me put on another 15 as soon as I was out. The sad thing is that there are plenty of guys in there with real potential, but almost all wither quickly once they get out. I remember seeing guys that would lose so much muscle on the outside that I barely recognized them.

As far as oil goes. I don't know about Volkswagen, but I fully believe the 3,000 mile thing is JiffyLube contrived BS. I've never changed my oil more than every 6,000 and only blew one engine out of a dozen cars. That one was a VW, but it blew because I baha'd it in the mud and clogged the air cooling fins. I've never seen an owners manual that recommends changes at 3,000 miles. Not saying they don't exist - just haven't seen it. I've also never seen a scientific demonstration that changing the oil that frequently matters. One of the guys from CarTalk has a car he's never changed the oil in and it works fine. - CH

P.S. anybody want to buy a used car from me? ha!

 

[G.E.R.M]

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speaking from experience...

no stress
no work(lots of rest)
training heavy

they cant party every night and skip meals and shit like on the outside..

while i was in i would see crackheads come in all skinny and leavy a few months later 20lbs heavier.., then come back 25lbs lighter after a crazk binge

 

[BIGKIWI]

I was in jail this year for couple months untill got bail , but there are no weights in remand as they consider you high/ medium security so they think you may go bashing people. We had a chin-up bar and thats about it. i would just lift people e.g for shrugs get 2 people on ground and just shrug them not scientific or even but hey better than going mad also did press ups put feet on bench and hands on the ground and get 2 people jump on your back. I would also use a towel for kinestetics dam fun huh