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For those that cannot tolerate beta alanine or stims

Sorry to derail the thread but isn’t absolutely absurd they make shit like this for “gamers” lol?!?! Let that marinade for a second. To play fucking video games for hours sitting in a chair. Society is so fucked.
It’s completely mind boggling to me why anyone over the age of 12 finds that to be mentally stimulating or a good use of their time. Even if you are a kid, go outside and play with a stick or something. And it’s certainly not doing any favors to the mass obesity here in the States

As for the beta alanine, i absolutely hate it. Like someone said above, Gorilla has some decent pre workout without it and only 175mg of caffeine and then a non stim version with no caffeine.
 
Attempting to stay at a peak level of concentration and focus for extremely long periods of time can be mentally demanding and exhausting, so there is a market for these products.

Many people think taking a bunch of drugs and supps to pick things up and put them down is stupid and pointless as well..........


For the record I don't game at all, I think it's a catastrophic waste of time and energy and I have close to zero interest in it but it can be demanding for the human brain to do for long periods of time, in the same sense that aggressively studying can be demanding mentally.

I'd rather see these people spending money on supps if it means less spent on door dash and pizzas.

I agree I'm not one to judge someone's hobby because a gamer could just as easily make fun of anyone whose life goal is to add as much muscle to their body as possible at the expense of their health. But at least in general fitness and weight lifting are healthy and considered an adult hobby. I look at gaming similar to adults watching cartoons or reading comic books lol
 
Same. Won’t touch it or any formulas with it included. Horrible feeling.
It's a tough call for companies as I have people RETURN BA free pre's as they claim, "It didn't work, I didn't tingle." The MAJORITY of people don't even know what is causing the "tingles" and some think it's a "fat burner." FFS
 
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These are some decent stim/BA free pre's that we get positive feedback and repeat sales at our shop.
I’m curious if anyone here remembers a product SuperPump… after they changed the formula, never used it again (newer improved formula usually means cheaper ingredients with more price and advertising)…

do any of the examples above have any similar results? Curious
 
I’m curious if anyone here remembers a product SuperPump… after they changed the formula, never used it again (newer improved formula usually means cheaper ingredients with more price and advertising)…

do any of the examples above have any similar results? Curious
OG SuperPump 250 by gaspari was NOT stimulant free. It's "actives"
Anabolic Signaling Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Glucose Polymer Blend, Creatine Monohydrate, NO2 Complex [L-Arginine, L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG), L-Arginine Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC)], Guanipro™ (Guanidino Propionic Acid), Salicyclic Acid 15%, American Ginseng Extract.
Lipolytic/Xtreme Focus Agent™ (Patent Pending):
L-Tyrosine, Methylxanthines (Caffeine), NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), N-Acetyl-Tyrosine, Glucuronolactone, Rhodiola Rosea Root Extract (Standardized To 5% Total Rosavins), Ginko Biloba Extract (Standardized To 24% Ginkosides & 6% Terpenes), Vinpocetine.
Myogenic Transcription Factor/Agonist™ (Patent Pending):
Taurine, L-Leucine, L-Glutamine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Citruline AKG, Turkesterone (11,20 Dihydroxyecdysone From Ajuga Turkestanica Extract), Choline Bitartrate.
Insulin Secretagogue Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Trimethylglycine, Indole-3-Carbinol, 4-Hydroxyisoleucine (From Fenugreek Seed Extract), Cinnamon Bark Extract (15% Cinnamic Aldehyde), Bacopa Monniera (Standardized For 20% Bacosides A & B).

NOW Foods makes a citrullin/arginine powder you could mix in crystal light to simulate the above to about 95% effectiveness as the above was a giant prop blend so rest assured the majority of those ingredients are being pixie dusted.
 
OG SuperPump 250 by gaspari was NOT stimulant free. It's "actives"
Anabolic Signaling Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Glucose Polymer Blend, Creatine Monohydrate, NO2 Complex [L-Arginine, L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG), L-Arginine Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC)], Guanipro™ (Guanidino Propionic Acid), Salicyclic Acid 15%, American Ginseng Extract.
Lipolytic/Xtreme Focus Agent™ (Patent Pending):
L-Tyrosine, Methylxanthines (Caffeine), NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), N-Acetyl-Tyrosine, Glucuronolactone, Rhodiola Rosea Root Extract (Standardized To 5% Total Rosavins), Ginko Biloba Extract (Standardized To 24% Ginkosides & 6% Terpenes), Vinpocetine.
Myogenic Transcription Factor/Agonist™ (Patent Pending):
Taurine, L-Leucine, L-Glutamine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Citruline AKG, Turkesterone (11,20 Dihydroxyecdysone From Ajuga Turkestanica Extract), Choline Bitartrate.
Insulin Secretagogue Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Trimethylglycine, Indole-3-Carbinol, 4-Hydroxyisoleucine (From Fenugreek Seed Extract), Cinnamon Bark Extract (15% Cinnamic Aldehyde), Bacopa Monniera (Standardized For 20% Bacosides A & B).

NOW Foods makes a citrullin/arginine powder you could mix in crystal light to simulate the above to about 95% effectiveness as the above was a giant prop blend so rest assured the majority of those ingredients are being pixie dusted.
Exactly. Prop blends ain't really meant to secure and protect jack, but to hide it.
 
Exactly. Prop blends ain't really meant to secure and protect jack, but to hide it.
I wonder the status of all those "Pending Patents" lol. What a crock of shit.
 
OG SuperPump 250 by gaspari was NOT stimulant free. It's "actives"
Anabolic Signaling Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Glucose Polymer Blend, Creatine Monohydrate, NO2 Complex [L-Arginine, L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (A-AKG), L-Arginine Ketoisocaproate (A-KIC)], Guanipro™ (Guanidino Propionic Acid), Salicyclic Acid 15%, American Ginseng Extract.
Lipolytic/Xtreme Focus Agent™ (Patent Pending):
L-Tyrosine, Methylxanthines (Caffeine), NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine), N-Acetyl-Tyrosine, Glucuronolactone, Rhodiola Rosea Root Extract (Standardized To 5% Total Rosavins), Ginko Biloba Extract (Standardized To 24% Ginkosides & 6% Terpenes), Vinpocetine.
Myogenic Transcription Factor/Agonist™ (Patent Pending):
Taurine, L-Leucine, L-Glutamine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine, L-Citruline AKG, Turkesterone (11,20 Dihydroxyecdysone From Ajuga Turkestanica Extract), Choline Bitartrate.
Insulin Secretagogue Complex™ (Patent Pending):
Trimethylglycine, Indole-3-Carbinol, 4-Hydroxyisoleucine (From Fenugreek Seed Extract), Cinnamon Bark Extract (15% Cinnamic Aldehyde), Bacopa Monniera (Standardized For 20% Bacosides A & B).

NOW Foods makes a citrullin/arginine powder you could mix in crystal light to simulate the above to about 95% effectiveness as the above was a giant prop blend so rest assured the majority of those ingredients are being pixie dusted.

Bruh isn’t Salicyclic Acid what’s in acne body wash lol???
 
Bruh isn’t Salicyclic Acid what’s in acne body wash lol???
Salicylic acid occurs in plants as free salicylic acid and its carboxylated esters and phenolic glycosides. Several studies suggest that humans metabolize salicylic acid in measurable quantities from these plants.[48] High-salicylate beverages and foods include beer, coffee, tea, numerous fruits and vegetables, sweet potato, nuts, and olive oil.[18] Meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy products, sugar, breads and cereals have low salicylate content.[18][49]

Some people with sensitivity to dietary salicylates may have symptoms of allergic reaction, such as bronchial asthma, rhinitis, gastrointestinal disorders, or diarrhea, so may need to adopt a low-salicylate diet.[18]



No idea why they put it in there but this is early Gaspari and who knows what was going on there.
 
Salicylic acid occurs in plants as free salicylic acid and its carboxylated esters and phenolic glycosides. Several studies suggest that humans metabolize salicylic acid in measurable quantities from these plants.[48] High-salicylate beverages and foods include beer, coffee, tea, numerous fruits and vegetables, sweet potato, nuts, and olive oil.[18] Meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy products, sugar, breads and cereals have low salicylate content.[18][49]

Some people with sensitivity to dietary salicylates may have symptoms of allergic reaction, such as bronchial asthma, rhinitis, gastrointestinal disorders, or diarrhea, so may need to adopt a low-salicylate diet.[18]



No idea why they put it in there but this is early Gaspari and who knows what was going on there.
If the salicylic acid was part of the "Lipolytic" matrix it would have made sense as a gimmick (to ring the ECA bell), but in the Anabolic Complex...
 
Update. I tried the Panda Supps "Pump" and mix it with a cup of green tea. Quite happy with the product
 
I've been doing it all wrong. I generally drink alcohol if I'm wasting time on video games
And killing your gains!

On topic I avoid the really hard stims as they tend to make my heart race out of control and what's mentioned in this thread I'll check them out.
 

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