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For those worried about the H1N1 vaccine

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My father in-law is a neurologist at a hospital and just let me know that all of the workers there are now getting their shots, not nasal spray. The same day he gets a message that kinda made him feel funny. Here is what he emailed me "I received a “blast” email from the American Academy of Neurology informing practicing neurologists to report to a central data bank any patients seen with neurologic symptoms after receiving the vaccine-1976 all over again"
Here they have been telling us its just like the seasonal flu vaccine, and yet they have all of the neruologists in the US being extra vigillant and looking out/reporting any symptoms they see. Sounds fishy to me. He never got emails like that each year when they give out the seasonal flu shots.

Kinda makes you wonder............

Reguardless, I still think I am going to try and get mine next week.
 
It is not safe.......

Lawsuit To Stop The H1N1 Vaccines October 09, 2009 10:37 AM

Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines; claims FDA violated federal law by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) Health freedom attorney Jim Turner is filing a lawsuit in Washington D.C. mid-day Friday in an urgent effort to halt the distribution of the swine flu vaccine in America. On behalf of plaintiffs Dr. Gary Null and other licensed health care workers of New York State, the lawsuit charges that the FDA violated the law in its hasty approval of four swine flu vaccines by failing to scientifically determine neither the safety nor efficacy of the vaccines.

"The suit will seek an injunction against the FDA from approving the vaccine," attorney Jim Turner told NaturalNews on Thursday evening's Natural News Talk Hour show. "And the core of the argument is that they have not done the proper safety and efficacy tests on the vaccine to allow it to be release at this time."

The suit seeks to not only nullify the FDA's unlawful "approval" of the four H1N1 influenza vaccines, but to also ask the court to issue an injunction that would halt any mandatory vaccination requirements.

"The FDA is required by law to establish that a vaccine is safe and effective before it can be given to the public," said Turner. "We are arguing that they did not establish that the vaccine was effective, and did not establish that it was safe. They are trying to get it on the market by a waiver."

Vaccine / adjuvant combination has never been properly testedThe vaccine / adjuvant combination being referred to as the "swine flu vaccine" has apparently never been safety tested or approved by the FDA. In fact, in many cases the vaccine is being sent to clinics, pharmacies and other health establishments separately from the adjuvant chemical, leaving it up to each local vaccine retailer to properly mix the vaccine with the adjuvant, according to information provided by Turner. With hundreds of millions of Americans potentially being targeted with this vaccine, the potential for improper mixing, improper dosages, and human error is alarming.

If the charges described in the lawsuit are true, it means the FDA has blatantly abandoned medical science and violated its own regulations in approving not only these four vaccines, but the potentially deadly adjuvant chemicals as well. To date, the FDA has produced absolutely no scientific evidence documenting safety tests for any of these swine flu vaccines. There are no published studies, no records of any clinical trials, and no publicly-available paper trail demonstrating that any safety testing was done whatsoever. There is no researcher who has publicly put their name on the record declaring the vaccines to be safe, and no FDA official has ever stated that scientifically-valid safety testing has ever been conducted on the vaccine / adjuvant combinations now being distributed across America.

Normally, when a pharmaceutical achieves "FDA approved" status, there is a considerable paper trail of scientific scrutiny, peer review, clinical trials and other supporting evidence. To our knowledge, no such documents exist for the swine flu vaccines. The FDA's approval of these vaccines appears to be based entirely on a whim.

"What has been tested?" asked attorney Jim turner. "Where has it been tested? Who reviewed the test? Who looked at the test and said yes they proved safety and efficacy? There is no record that we can find that shows these things have been done."

By approving the four vaccines in the absence of such safety testing, the FDA itself stands in direct violation of federal law. "There is a law that they're supposed to follow and they are not following it," Turner added.
Billions of dollars are at stakeWhy, then, did the FDA apparently violate the law and push these vaccines into full public distribution without securing the safety testing required by law? Turner suspects a profit motive may be involved: "They're charging $24.95 to get a vaccine. Multiplied by 100 million people, that's a lot of money. If you do the whole society, you're talking about several billion dollars."

In fact, the U.S. vaccination push could ultimately target over 200 million Americans, generating nearly $5 billion in vaccine-related revenues. Cashing in on those revenues, however, requires three things:
1) Spreading fear about H1N1 swine flu by exaggerating its dangers.

2) Quickly making a vaccine available for sale, even if it has never been thoroughly tested for safety and efficacy.

3) Aggressively marketing the vaccines before the H1N1 swine flu fizzles out and can no longer be hyped up as "highly virulent."

All three of these conditions are now being pushed aggressively in the U.S. by pharma-influenced health authorities at both the state and federal level. There is a mad, cult-like rush under way to vaccinate American citizens with an unproven, untested chemical that was thrust into distribution in apparent violation of federal law. And if this vaccine is not stopped, the price that may ultimately be paid in terms of lost lives could be quite dire.
 
:eek: Thanks for the info guys! Great thread! I really appreciate looking out for us!






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Thanks for the heads up guys, I work in Health and theyre really pushing us all to get it within the next few weeks. Im not having it and neither are my kids.

I respect the wishes of anyone who wants it but Im just not convinced personally.

Im not a conspiracy type of person but something just doesnt feel right to me :)
 
Only reason I am wanting to get it is because of my poor health. I feel like with my heart problems and asthma that the danger I face getting sick with the virus is greater than the danger posed by getting the vaccine.
As far as my kids go, I am really starting to think twice about having them get it. I think they could fight off the virus on their own.
 
Those in the know must have knowledge that we do not. For them to put out that mass email to neurologists really draws attention to that IMO. There has to be a reason why they are being so watchful.
 
Got the flu shot today and will get h1n1 in a couple weeks when it becomes available.
 
My father in-law is a neurologist at a hospital and just let me know that all of the workers there are now getting their shots, not nasal spray. The same day he gets a message that kinda made him feel funny. Here is what he emailed me "I received a “blast” email from the American Academy of Neurology informing practicing neurologists to report to a central data bank any patients seen with neurologic symptoms after receiving the vaccine-1976 all over again"
Here they have been telling us its just like the seasonal flu vaccine, and yet they have all of the neruologists in the US being extra vigillant and looking out/reporting any symptoms they see. Sounds fishy to me. He never got emails like that each year when they give out the seasonal flu shots.

Kinda makes you wonder............

Reguardless, I still think I am going to try and get mine next week.
Sure you get your's...but dont tell everyone else they should get it.
Your wrong..period.
 
Your choice....

Got the flu shot today and will get h1n1 in a couple weeks when it becomes available.

but you really should do some research on the H1N1 vaccine and what some of the components of it are linked to. they claim it is manufactured the same as seasonal flu vaccine but they left out the part about suspending the limit for mercury(thimerasol) and some of the adjuncts like squaline and alum. you are risking neurological and auto-immune complications. that is why maldorf's father-in-law has been forwarned.
 
My father is a retired anesthesiologist. We're heading out together to get it. If i trust anybody's medical judgment, its his.
 
Sure you get your's...but dont tell everyone else they should get it.
Your wrong..period.

Rooster, you really dont like me do you??!!

Anyhow, if you read my statement about how I feel about my kids getting it you would see that I may not have them get it. It is only me that I am now considering getting it since my health is so piss poor now after my heart attack. Nowhere in this thread did I recommend that everyone get it. I feel that those with healthy immune systems probably dont need to take any risk by getting it. People though like me with serious health problems are better off getting it IMO. INfact I started this thread to alert people to the fact that my father-in-law was contacted by the higher ups to report to some central data bank any possible neurological symtpoms he sees after people get this vaccine. To me this is a telling sign that something is wrong. Im on your side now.
Ive seen the research done in India and one other country that I cannot recall at the moment. They studied the bodies of people that had died from H1N1 and found that 65% of them had cardiac damage. SOme of them even died from heart attacks. So a majority of those that died had cardiomyopathy from the virus. With my ejection fraction only being 28% I dont want to risk the consequences of being infected with this virus. Hell, right now I have just a common cold and I damn sick. I hate to see how I will be if I get this.
 
Now all I have to do is convince my wife that the kids shouldnt get the vaccine. She thinks I am nuts warning about these risks, even though her father the doc is somewhat skeptic now. Its going to be a hell of a lot of shouting and swearing. She is convinced they are best off gettting these shots. Not sure what I am going to do to make her think otherwise. Any ideas out there?
 
My father is a retired anesthesiologist. We're heading out together to get it. If i trust anybody's medical judgment, its his.

I tore a few muscle fibers in my quad in 91 ....went to multiple doctors who told me I was basically a pussy. Keep on going and going 3 different orthopedic surgeons told me they had no idea why I couldn't flex my hammy more that about 40% and thought I just needed some physical therapy. Keep on going then one told me I probably had to consider cancer. About a week after that puss came spewing out of my hamstring. Turns out I tore a few muscle fibers and had a subdural hematoma that should of been drained as this is a common issue. No one took an xray that showed a sinus tract that ran thru my femur...4 surgerys later I could fit my fist where there was soft tissue missing from my hamstring and 45% of my femur was gone.

moral of the story......Doctors have so much on their plate most don't keep up with all new info in all fields and even if they do the are usually highly specialized in their treatments. I work directly with orthos and neuros and this is a fact. you can ask a group of them how to treat a common run of the mill isssue and you will have a multitude of treatments and methods. Are they wrong? I go to a doc and he tells me we need to operate or go ahead and get on this medication...you dont ever question it?

There is alot of evidence that the FEDS are not acting in our best interest in the early release of this vaccine. you can think what you want but just casue you have one retired docs opinion that is great, go ahead and good luck to ya but can't you see that there is cause for our concern?
 
good luck....women are very trusting of the system

this whole thing is such a scam.

there is this huge push for everyone to get the shot...propaganda.

if they really cared and were genuinely concerned about the best interests of the people then you would see cnn, cnbc, and fox news specials about how to naturally strenghthen the body's immune system. sleep, good nutrition, vitamins d and c, herbal remedies, etc.

they are more likely to make that shit prescription only...they want people to remain sick. sick people equal dollars.
 
buyer beware

I am a nurse in a hospital.I have seen nothing in the years that i am their about any kind of mass pandemic.I also feel that this came out of no where and that we have a shot for it.Loook at the bird flue.Mass panic and everyone is wearing a mask.I also dont believe the government has our best interest.I have a daughter and dont want to give her the shot,it hasnt been proven.Fear boosts up the economy.Look into things before injecting them into you.
 
i cant believe how trusting people are ! this whole thing is "all about the money imo" i have autoimune problems already,wonder how vaccines i had as a child have played a part in my health today?
 
I dont get it! ive never had a flu shot of any kind and ive also never had the flu. Its the goddamn swine flu, not swine AIDS that has become aribourne, Not swine ebola, not swine anthrax, and not swine hurricane katrina. its the goddamn sniffles.
 
good luck....women are very trusting of the system

this whole thing is such a scam.

there is this huge push for everyone to get the shot...propaganda.

if they really cared and were genuinely concerned about the best interests of the people then you would see cnn, cnbc, and fox news specials about how to naturally strenghthen the body's immune system. sleep, good nutrition, vitamins d and c, herbal remedies, etc.

they are more likely to make that shit prescription only...they want people to remain sick. sick people equal dollars.


Agree 100%. Look at the substances that are "legal" to buy. I'm pretty sure, a good portion of the population has caught on. It's sad to know we live in such a world, where the "leaders" are ALL about MONEY! I don't think they really care about themselves either. They are so GREEDY, POWER HUNGRY, the basic meaning of REASONABLENESS has flew the coop. Really sad, IMO!





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Father-in-law writes back

I think I misinterpreted what his opinion on the matter is. It sounds like he thinks it is being overblown too, and that the email he got really wasnt in the best interest of being practical but was more for academic persuits and trying to make a name for oneself. Here is what he said:


"I think the idea of monitoring H1N1 vaccine reaction is from some academic neurologist who wants (needs) to publish a paper-the scare tactics that have arisen makes all of this seem a bit much for me-attended a presentation the other day about the electronic medical record the Clinic has been implementing over the past few years-the scary thing is that to get government money for some of the costs, the system might be interconnected to a state wide data base and from there it’s only a click of a button and there could be a central nationwide data base so “Big Brother” can track individuals-then congress could pass some criteria for whatever they wanted to manage health care-they would say it is all for monitoring quality but at that point quality is spelled MONEY."

So he thinks it is some idiot trying to make a name for himself. Could very well be a lot of people trying to take advantage of this situation.

YOu can also see what he has to say about this national data base that seems very likely to be forming. He is scared about this I know. He is 70yrs old and is old school. Been a doc at the same hospital now since he graduated med school. He is very highly respected and is retired from his practice now. He now is involved in hospital administration and works to protect patients rights when it comes to dealing with insurance companies/claims.
 

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