Curls no offense intended but you have a bunch of threads on various training methods. You need to focus a bit. Pick one, then hammer on that for a few years until you decide to jump to another one. Programs take time to get anything out of them. you wont get anything out of DC in the first 2 weeks, it takes YEARS to build Dusty Hanshaw level mass. I reccommend you go with DC or get with Phil. Learn the in's and out's of either one. understand why it works so well. then hammer at it with everythign youve got. Youll get the results your after this way.