genetics verses anabolics

[onslaught]

okay everyone talks about genetics being the major role in why these dudes are monsters.

I've seen skinny 135 pounders get to 200 plus pounds of muscle from aas. But when done naturally, they hardly gain much.


So the question is:

Genetics aside how much test or anything else does one have to do to get that large? Im talking how many mgs of test or gh, or whatever. Ive heard of pros doing as much as 2000mg of test per week to get that massive size.

 

[EDED]

ahahhaha iiii think 2g might be one compound lol

but someone may not use any or little blah blah like you said

your response to steroid signal will be your gene dependent

so there is no asnwer ot your question since you already answered yourself

what if you grow eating 2000 cal and others have to 6000000 or someone eats 1000.34343435 and grows bigger than you?

explain that? and tell me how much food do IIIIII have to eat to grow like YOU or arnold or ronnie or whoever

sameshit

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

that depends completely on your body.....

but i don't believe for a second that just because i don't have PERFECT genetics or whatever that i can't get as big as those guys. To believe that would be an out...and excuse for me to not give it my absolute all.

i feel that a lack of genetics is used as an excuse on boards ALL THE TIME. I hear people say Branch Warren doesn't have especially good genetics all the time....look at him.....2nd place at olympia and if jay had been off AT ALL he would have won

 

[jm425]

okay everyone talks about genetics being the major role in why these dudes are monsters.

I've seen skinny 135 pounders get to 200 plus pounds of muscle from aas. But when done naturally, they hardly gain much.


So the question is:

Genetics aside how much test or anything else does one have to do to get that large? Im talking how many mgs of test or gh, or whatever. Ive heard of pros doing as much as 2000mg of test per week to get that massive size.

2 grams of test per week is nothing for a pro. Pros usually do a lot more. These guys are the best of the best and high dose. We're talking 5-10+grams of aas per week along with 60+ius of slin a day and 15-30+ius of gh per day.

 

[mohawkmike]

Speaking just from my own personal experience, when I started in "this game" over 12yrs ago and fresh out of the MARINE CORPS I weighed around 185lbs @ 6'3 with a small bone frame, VERY POOR GENETICS!!! I was tall and lanky to say the least built more as a basketball player then a bodybuilder. After training clean for about 2yrs I got hooked up with the right people and started running AAS. I went from 185lbs to eventually 255lbs in a few yrs after finally educating myself on how to properly eat right and just as importantly educating myself on AAS. Had I stayed "clean" theres no way I would have ever gained that much weight and strenght, it's not in my genetics as proven that I'm the biggest one in my family.

 

[onslaught]

2 grams of test per week is nothing for a pro. Pros 5-10 grams? what the mother f?

thats insane, and there you go, no wonder they're that big

 

[Gunsmith]

2 grams of test per week is nothing for a pro. Pros usually do a lot more. These guys are the best of the best and high dose. We're talking 5-10+grams of aas per week along with 60+ius of slin a day and 15-30+ius of gh per day.

And what pro do you know that takes that???


The average guy can pack on alot of muscle if he busts his ass in the gym , eats whats needs to be eaten and gets enough rest , and for the most part can do that without juice

Now will steroids help , hell yea , will he get bigger on the juice , hell yea , does he need to take 2000mg of test a week , FUCK NO , thats stupid !!

if a guy has come to a sticking point in his training and growth where his genetics are saying "this is it" then he will certainly benifit from AAS , that doesn't mean that he needs to go jump on a 3 gram a week cycle. For the most part this fella can change his training and diet , take 500-750mg/wk of test and make some very good gains , if he is already experianced with AAS add some more compounds in their.

One of the most impressive gains I've seen a human make was a 190lb guy about an honest 10-12%bf at 6'2" , he changes his training from what he had been doing for 3 years , brought his protein from 250g/ed to 600g/ed doubled his carbs to about 400g/ed , fats to the 180-220g/ed range and for AAS took 750mg sustanon/wk , 500mg deca/wk and 50mgD-bol/ed for weeks 3-8 of a 12 week cycle , he took 2 "cycles" over a year with a 250mg/wk tets bridge and gained and honest 40 lbs of muscle over that year. If you don't think that 40 lbs of muscle is alot your crazy , if I had not seen it I would call bullshit and say that a human can't do it. Thats was a simple cycle and good eating with solid training and an honest 8-9hrs of sleep a night.

If you take the same cycle that Jay Cutler has taken for the last 2 years and gave that to 1000 randon men and feed tham the same thing and trained them the same way you might end up with 2-3 guys that are anywhere near his size.
Their a reason that theirs not 5000 people trying for the olympia every year and its not because of the amount of drugs they take.

 

[Oldlifter]

Forgive In Advance If This Is A Dumb ?

And what pro do you know that takes that???


The average guy can pack on alot of muscle if he busts his ass in the gym , eats whats needs to be eaten and gets enough rest , and for the most part can do that without juice

Now will steroids help , hell yea , will he get bigger on the juice , hell yea , does he need to take 2000mg of test a week , FUCK NO , thats stupid !!

if a guy has come to a sticking point in his training and growth where his genetics are saying "this is it" then he will certainly benifit from AAS , that doesn't mean that he needs to go jump on a 3 gram a week cycle. For the most part this fella can change his training and diet , take 500-750mg/wk of test and make some very good gains , if he is already experianced with AAS add some more compounds in their.

One of the most impressive gains I've seen a human make was a 190lb guy about an honest 10-12%bf at 6'2" , he changes his training from what he had been doing for 3 years , brought his protein from 250g/ed to 600g/ed doubled his carbs to about 400g/ed , fats to the 180-220g/ed range and for AAS took 750mg sustanon/wk , 500mg deca/wk and 50mgD-bol/ed for weeks 3-8 of a 12 week cycle , he took 2 "cycles" over a year with a 250mg/wk tets bridge and gained and honest 40 lbs of muscle over that year. If you don't think that 40 lbs of muscle is alot your crazy , if I had not seen it I would call bullshit and say that a human can't do it. Thats was a simple cycle and good eating with solid training and an honest 8-9hrs of sleep a night.

If you take the same cycle that Jay Cutler has taken for the last 2 years and gave that to 1000 randon men and feed tham the same thing and trained them the same way you might end up with 2-3 guys that are anywhere near his size.
Their a reason that theirs not 5000 people trying for the olympia every year and its not because of the amount of drugs they take.

How would a person "know" if they have what it takes to be "pro" or what have you. Is there some sort of indicator/sign? Or do they have to play it by ear? Always been curious about this.

Again, apologies in advance if this is one of those "search before you ask deals"

 

[notsobig32]

How would a person "know" if they have what it takes to be "pro" or what have you. Is there some sort of indicator/sign? Or do they have to play it by ear? Always been curious about this.

Again, apologies in advance if this is one of those "search before you ask deals"

i am certainly not a pro but this has been posted about on here numerous times, the only way you truly know is to pursue it. How can anyone predict what your limit of muscle is etc. There is no way. Put the time in the gym, at the table and sleeping and see where you end up.

I have known some very large guys and the common theme was always that they pulled away from the pack easily and very early on. They did everything right but their results far eclipsed everyone they started out lifting with etc.

this is all just my opinion.

 

[Oldlifter]

i am certainly not a pro but this has been posted about on here numerous times, the only way you truly know is to pursue it. How can anyone predict what your limit of muscle is etc. There is no way. Put the time in the gym, at the table and sleeping and see where you end up.

I have known some very large guys and the common theme was always that they pulled away from the pack easily and very early on. They did everything right but their results far eclipsed everyone they started out lifting with etc.

this is all just my opinion.

Thanks for the rapid reply! I kinda thought so. I've noticed the same thing in my years of training as well!






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[phatkid77]

a pros build??? i think if you take current pros...the MAJORITY of them....the first show they ever did, they were likely around 210lb on stage.....limited, if any drugs...... I BETHCA.......

most regular people ive seen compete....seem to always hit the 186lb mark....
so basically, they are bigger...and they just..KNOW

phats

 

[boggs67ss]

I remember in Pumping Iron, Ferigno's dad was sayin that Lou was really skinny in high school, and couldn't even make the school football team. Look how big he got, I think, like said before, put the time in, eat, train, sleep, and you'll grow.

 

[Oldlifter]

I remember in Pumping Iron, Ferigno's dad was sayin that Lou was really skinny in high school, and couldn't even make the school football team. Look how big he got, I think, like said before, put the time in, eat, train, sleep, and you'll grow.

Ah, such a Great doc. I loved it when Arnold took the O, can't remember the year, anyho he plops down on the couch in the back room, where they were having a b-party for Big Lou, I think, and breaks out the good Ole Mary Jane. Right in the Lime light of the whole entire world to see. Then he hits it, and gives that Ole Arnie "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh", as he releases what appeared to be shear thrilling pleasure of fresh processed mary jane smoke. Can't remember the rest of his comment, but you get the idea.




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[jm425]

And what pro do you know that takes that???


The average guy can pack on alot of muscle if he busts his ass in the gym , eats whats needs to be eaten and gets enough rest , and for the most part can do that without juice

Now will steroids help , hell yea , will he get bigger on the juice , hell yea , does he need to take 2000mg of test a week , FUCK NO , thats stupid !!

if a guy has come to a sticking point in his training and growth where his genetics are saying "this is it" then he will certainly benifit from AAS , that doesn't mean that he needs to go jump on a 3 gram a week cycle. For the most part this fella can change his training and diet , take 500-750mg/wk of test and make some very good gains , if he is already experianced with AAS add some more compounds in their.

One of the most impressive gains I've seen a human make was a 190lb guy about an honest 10-12%bf at 6'2" , he changes his training from what he had been doing for 3 years , brought his protein from 250g/ed to 600g/ed doubled his carbs to about 400g/ed , fats to the 180-220g/ed range and for AAS took 750mg sustanon/wk , 500mg deca/wk and 50mgD-bol/ed for weeks 3-8 of a 12 week cycle , he took 2 "cycles" over a year with a 250mg/wk tets bridge and gained and honest 40 lbs of muscle over that year. If you don't think that 40 lbs of muscle is alot your crazy , if I had not seen it I would call bullshit and say that a human can't do it. Thats was a simple cycle and good eating with solid training and an honest 8-9hrs of sleep a night.

If you take the same cycle that Jay Cutler has taken for the last 2 years and gave that to 1000 randon men and feed tham the same thing and trained them the same way you might end up with 2-3 guys that are anywhere near his size.
Their a reason that theirs not 5000 people trying for the olympia every year and its not because of the amount of drugs they take.

Olympia contenders take massive amounts of aas, slin and gh and that is a FACT. There was an interview with nasser where he openly admitted that he used 10 grams of aas during his peak years when he was a serious O contender. Even Big A himself has said that he used to use 2-3 grams of test with w/e else aas he was using. I know people personally that train pros and have had enlightening conversations with them about their aas use. If you seriously think that the pros are taking 750mgs of test and little bit of this and that you are seriously mislead and mistaken.

 

[boggs67ss]

Olympia contenders take massive amounts of aas, slin and gh and that is a FACT. There was an interview with nasser where he openly admitted that he used 10 grams of aas during his peak years when he was a serious O contender. Even Big A himself has said that he used to use 2-3 grams of test with w/e else aas he was using. I know people personally that train pros and have had enlightening conversations with them about their aas use. If you seriously think that the pros are taking 750mgs of test and little bit of this and that you are seriously mislead and mistaken.

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[Gunsmith]

Olympia contenders take massive amounts of aas, slin and gh and that is a FACT. There was an interview with nasser where he openly admitted that he used 10 grams of aas during his peak years when he was a serious O contender. Even Big A himself has said that he used to use 2-3 grams of test with w/e else aas he was using. I know people personally that train pros and have had enlightening conversations with them about their aas use. If you seriously think that the pros are taking 750mgs of test and little bit of this and that you are seriously mislead and mistaken.

Reread my post , that part that says the AVERAGE GUY , I know the pros take alot higher doses that 750mg , I just can't see them taking 10 grams a week , thats about 6-7 cc's of test a day and thats just the test. 2 maybe 3 grams yea but I highly doubt that they take much over that , they may run the doses you speek of for a few weeks with the blast cruze method but not for extended periods.

again , your genes will dictate what you can push your body to , if you come from generations of small people then your likely not going to have the ability to compete with the people at the Olympia level. Sure you can get big as hell but being big as hell and a being a total freak like Jay Cutler are two totaly differant things

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

Reread my post , that part that says the AVERAGE GUY , I know the pros take alot higher doses that 750mg , I just can't see them taking 10 grams a week , thats about 6-7 cc's of test a day and thats just the test. 2 maybe 3 grams yea but I highly doubt that they take much over that , they may run the doses you speek of for a few weeks with the blast cruze method but not for extended periods.

again , your genes will dictate what you can push your body to , if you come from generations of small people then your likely not going to have the ability to compete with the people at the Olympia level. Sure you can get big as hell but being big as hell and a being a total freak like Jay Cutler are two totaly differant things

I disagree COMPLETELY with the last paragraph and also...who the hell would EVER admit to themselves that they are 'AVERAGE'????

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

such an admission alone will make it so that you never even come close to achieving the big stage.....you have to believe you can before you can achieve it

 

[jm425]

Reread my post , that part that says the AVERAGE GUY , I know the pros take alot higher doses that 750mg , I just can't see them taking 10 grams a week , thats about 6-7 cc's of test a day and thats just the test. 2 maybe 3 grams yea but I highly doubt that they take much over that , they may run the doses you speek of for a few weeks with the blast cruze method but not for extended periods.

again , your genes will dictate what you can push your body to , if you come from generations of small people then your likely not going to have the ability to compete with the people at the Olympia level. Sure you can get big as hell but being big as hell and a being a total freak like Jay Cutler are two totaly differant things

You may find it hard to believe but there is no denying the truth when it comes to how much aas pros use. Many use well over 2-3 grams per week. Also, most competitive pros cruise for maybe 2 months out of the year because their job requires them to look good for photo shoots for magazines and what not. I will say this though. A lot of them do care about their health and do go get check ups and blood work done often.

 

[HawaiiMuscle]

Does it even matter if you can't even eat like a olympia contender? How many here actually think they can actually eat 8000+cals ed and be consistent with it. Don't forget preparing the meals too. Not only that how many can afford to eat like this ed?


Not many, so it doesn't really matter. For those of you here walking around at 300lbs, much respect.