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Growth at injection sight

Littlebig

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Suspensions and growth at injection sight...Fact or fiction? I'm curious, has anyone ever experienced this? I've read a lot, but nothing is consistent in the fact of the matter.
 

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interesting post brother

I personally have not used many suspensions, ive used a tren base pre-workout in the past but pin in my glute. Tough to tell whats goin on back their. However one of my good friends is a huge fan of suspension and pins in his delts. He claims his delts do get the immediate benefit and grow just a touch faster. His theory is the rapid release vs the slow trickle from oils. I can't tell either way just from looking at him, so i cant really say if hes right or wrong. The only thing that i can say is... base iz fuckin' painful bro. Thats a whole new thread tho. lol.
 

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I’ve run tons of test base and tren base, there is zero extra growth at the injection site. A quick google scholar search would have disproved this.

So fiction.
 

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You may get some extra swelling from inflammation, but once that goes away in a few days there is no real size gain. If you keep injecting every day in that same muscle then it may stay swollen for a long time, but once you stop injecting there the swelling will go down. There is no strength gain in the muscle beyond what you would normally get either.
 

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I remembered this. Localized growth in the right pectoralis. Thoughts?


Histol Histopathol. 2010 Feb;25(2):133-40. doi: 10.14670/HH-25.133.
Nandrolone decanoate increases satellite cell numbers in the chicken pectoralis muscle.

Allouh MZ1, Rosser BW.
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The anabolic androgenic steroid nandrolone decanoate has minimal androgenic effects and, thus, is widely used to induce muscle hypertrophy in both patients and athletes. Although increases in satellite cell numbers and satellite cells giving rise to new myonuclei are associated with hypertrophy in many experimental models, the relationship between nandrolone and satellite cells is poorly understood. Here we test the hypothesis that nandrolone administration is associated with an increase in satellite cell numbers in muscle. Nandrolone was injected at weekly intervals for four weeks into the right pectoralis muscle of female white leghorn chickens aged 63 days post hatch. Age/size/sex matched control birds received saline injections. The contralateral pectoralis was excised for study from each control and nandrolone treated bird. An antibody against Pax7 and immunocytochemical techniques were used to identify satellite cells. Nandrolone significantly increased mean pectoralis mass by approximately 22%, and mean fiber diameter by about 24%. All satellite cell indices that were quantified increased significantly in chicken pectoralis with administration of nandrolone. Nandrolone injected birds had on average higher satellite cell frequencies (#SC nuclei/all nuclei within basal lamina), number of satellite cells per millimeter of fiber, and satellite cell concentrations (closer together). Myonuclei were further apart (less concentrated) in nandrolone injected muscle. However, an overall increase in myonuclear numbers was revealed by a significantly greater mean number of myonuclei per millimeter of fiber in nandrolone injected muscle. Our results suggest that satellite cells may be key cellular vectors for nandrolone induced muscle fiber hypertrophy.
 

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Histol Histopathol. 2010 Feb;25(2):133-40. doi: 10.14670/HH-25.133.
Nandrolone decanoate increases satellite cell numbers in the chicken pectoralis muscle.

Allouh MZ1, Rosser BW.
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The anabolic androgenic steroid nandrolone decanoate has minimal androgenic effects and, thus, is widely used to induce muscle hypertrophy in both patients and athletes. Although increases in satellite cell numbers and satellite cells giving rise to new myonuclei are associated with hypertrophy in many experimental models, the relationship between nandrolone and satellite cells is poorly understood. Here we test the hypothesis that nandrolone administration is associated with an increase in satellite cell numbers in muscle. Nandrolone was injected at weekly intervals for four weeks into the right pectoralis muscle of female white leghorn chickens aged 63 days post hatch. Age/size/sex matched control birds received saline injections. The contralateral pectoralis was excised for study from each control and nandrolone treated bird. An antibody against Pax7 and immunocytochemical techniques were used to identify satellite cells. Nandrolone significantly increased mean pectoralis mass by approximately 22%, and mean fiber diameter by about 24%. All satellite cell indices that were quantified increased significantly in chicken pectoralis with administration of nandrolone. Nandrolone injected birds had on average higher satellite cell frequencies (#SC nuclei/all nuclei within basal lamina), number of satellite cells per millimeter of fiber, and satellite cell concentrations (closer together). Myonuclei were further apart (less concentrated) in nandrolone injected muscle. However, an overall increase in myonuclear numbers was revealed by a significantly greater mean number of myonuclei per millimeter of fiber in nandrolone injected muscle. Our results suggest that satellite cells may be key cellular vectors for nandrolone induced muscle fiber hypertrophy.
So they actually examined the muscle that was not injected, yes? In that case the findings are not relevant to injection site growth. Not to mention that their control is the natty bird's muscle so you can't infer anything about site specific growth anyways.
 

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It's not possible outside temporary inflamation due to the oil itself...
I agree, and always thought site growth was bs, but recently after using something in my tri's I don't have the localized swelling, which has stretched the fascia and allowed for larger pumps and things to grow faster. I know bc my doc measured my arms and I have measured the same way after inflammation is gone and have gotten some gains (.5in). I know half an inch isn't huge but it goes along the same lines as using a SEO to stretch the fascia.
Thoughts? Comments?
 

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