Have a Look, need advice....Summer mass cycle

[w8tlifterty]

Allright, let me know what ya think.....

I will bulk through summer starting June 1st. My cycle looks like this...
Wk 1-12
Proviron 25mg/ed throughout
Supra Cyp 600-900mg/wk(haven't decided yet)(most likely 600, b/c I know 900 is too high, but it soouunndds so good...
Supra NPP 400mg/wk
Drol 50mg/ed wk1-4(BD or Turkish)
WK 13-18
Prop 700mg/wk(supra)
**Want to add slin 4 wks on wks off, post workout only, but really worried about fat gain, I tend to put on fat relatively easily(I have done my research, will completley be able to control diet while using slin, also will start at 4iu and work up to 10) Really want opinions on the slin use.....will be using R, not Humalog.

Arimidex .5 mg ed throughout
Nolva 10mg ed throughout
HCG 250-500iu Mon, Tues. wk 2-18

Nolva/Clomid/Tribulus PCT

. I was planning on 8-10meals a day, 5500-6500cals, 450 g pro, 300-400 g carb, and plenty of essential fats(olive and flax). I am looking to hit 230-240 by the end of the cycle(As of now, I am 5'9, 210, 12%bf. It is alot of weight to gain, but with your guys help and my work ethic, I believe its attainable. Plz chime in guys and give me some insight...
let me know what ya think.....

Thanks guys

 

[Armageddon]

I would say only use the nolvadex when taking the drol unless you think your susseptable to gyno. I think it will hinder some of the gains and with the arimidex it may be over kill.
That is alot of food, I would make sure you can handle the diet before filling yourself with the supplements.

 

[Vander_V]

TOO MUCH FOOD

UNLESS YOU WANNA BE 20% BF LOL

 

[Conan21]

a 50s cause progesterone related gyno

Nolvadex won't help with this at all

 

[bigbadasian]

Reply

|--[\\\]>----------- yes, a50 is progest. use WV tabs to help combat that, i believe the WV and progest. fight to fill the same receptors, so that would be a good choice. as for the cycle, adex through out is a VERY good idea. i do it and it really helps keep the H20 down. The cyp may be over kill....i am a firm believer now that more is not always better, a steady cycle of a lower amt. for a longer period of time is better IMO. Also, why are you not running anything with the prop. at the end. usually ppl run the prop. at the beginning or starting from week 1 all the way through. i don't know how the taper method with prop. is, as i have never done it myself.

 

[w8tlifterty]

Thanks so far guys, keep it comming....
Yes, Adrol can cause prog. gyno, but I do have bromo on hand and will be running B6 @ 600mg/ed so I am not too worried. I have heard about the Winny occupying the same receptor but I don't know if it's is a fact, or just past along--do you know bigbadasian.....if so I have W.tabs on hand.....
Vander, what do you think my diet should be like, as far as a breakdown of macronutrients....Did you get my PM bro.....Hit me back if you got the time.....
Also guys, I have been debating...Should I run
900mg test and 600mg NPP for a shorter time **(never ran test this high, so I'd like to see how my body would react)
or
600mg test and 400 mg NPP for a much longer time **(sides would be easier to control and I have always been a fan of slow and steady gains)

Again, thanks for all the help, it's always appreciated....

 

[w8tlifterty]

Another Question, what would you guys recommend as far as doses on the arimidex/nolva....most of you are saying overkill--maybe .5 mg arimidex and use nolva only if gyno flares(from the test, never really had a problem with progesterone from deca or adrol)Last cycle I used nolva and arimidex, 20mg ed/ .5 mg ed respectively, and had no water bloat but also did not see the gains I expected.....

What do you guys think about the insulin use.....
Sorry for all the questions, just really want to make this my most productive cycle yet.....
Peace...

Ty

 

[Armageddon]

It depends on the person but many can get away with.25 of arim while on. I would suggets this and if need be you can always up the dose. If you have the winny then you probably won't need the nolvadex, but only time will tell. Just remember you can always start small and go big. It's harder to start big and try and bring it back around to were you can control it.

 

[w8tlifterty]

^^^^

 

[jawbreakerkid]

I agree the food is WAY too much. Bring that down to the 4000 mark. I'm 255 @ 5'9" and am taking in 4500-4700 cals per day with 420-430 grams of protein. Also, if you can grow off of 600mg per week, why use 900mg per week? Sounds like a waste to me. After being on all summer, I'm not sure if you're gonna wanna hit EOD shots of all that prop...I know I get sick of the shots. I like to taper off with prop too, but I hit like 400 on down to 100mgs the last week. As far as the slin goes, I don't see why it's necessary at this stage. Not to be an ass, but it looks like your eyes are bigger than your stomach. Take it slow, you're not gonna put on 30lbs of LBM over the summer. Stay leaner and put on quality mass, you'll look alot better. Hope this helps.

 

[w8tlifterty]

Jawbreaker--thanks for the honesty....I will admit, at times my eyes are bigger than my stomach--I do want to grow at an accelerated rate--to an extent--I have a very good head on my shoulder's...it just needs a good, swift blow sometimes to knock the sense back into it.... It is hard when you see guys throw pics up and it looks like he adds 5lbs each picture,(Vander, for example) Yeah, genetics play a role, and I don't think mine are the best...BUT I will bust my ass to get to where I want to be...
Revised(using advice so far...)
Wk 1-14
Cyp 600mg/wk
NPP 400mg/wk
Drol @50mg/ed wk 1-4
Proviron @25mg/ed
Wk 15-18(Taper, of sorts)
Prop 600mg/wk, tapering down to around 300 the last week.
Winny will also be used @ 50mg/ed wk 12-18
Arimidex @ .5 ed, nolva will be used as needed....
I will still use insulin, I want to see how I react to it, and I will have someone moniter me. Will not go higher than 10iu. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, no more than 4days each week.

Diet== (Vander or Jawbreaker,you commented on this)
How does this look....
3800-4500
400 g Pro
400-500 g carb
Fats as needed(olive oil, flax, peanut butter are generally my main source)
Will taper carbs towards the end of the day, heavily load them in the morning(when I workout) and post workout, then with the following 2 solid meals, then begin to taper them down...
thanks again,

 

[Queefer]

1st off, ask 100 questions if you need to. That's why we are here. (To give AND get knowledge) For every questions that's asked, there are probably 20 guys that also want to know the answer. If you gain 10 lbs of "pure" muscle, it will be a pretty big size gain. Then again, it never hurts to aim high. Shoot for the stars, but if you get to the moon, you did damn good. If I were you, I'd wait until mid cycle to start the slin so that as your gains slow down, you can get a nice boost from it. The big thing I've noticed about adding slin to my cycle is that it adds a lot of effort to the process. By this I mean you really, really have to pay attention to detail and how you feel each and every time you take it. Since hum R takes about 6 hours to ware off, you have to make sure and never ever fall asleep during this period. You also have to have a constant supply of carbs in your system. It really is work, unless of course you are not concerned with the death issue. Good luck and happy gaining!

 

[jawbreakerkid]

If you want to try and stay on the leaner side, I'd stay away from slin for the reasons Queefer laid out. Your carb consumption will be great. I stay away from carbs after 6:00pm, and only eat carbs in 3 of my six meals, and other than post workout, they're all complex carbs. That diet looks good, it's all individual though. Start out there, you may not need that much carbs, possibly amp up the EFA's to get the calories. There's no problem with wanting it all now, I've been there. I used to eat 7-8K cals a day. I'm now lightr, leaner and stronger than I was when eating that much food and being 15lbs heavier. The scale can be deceiving, we all like to see it go up, but if you look bigger, then who cares what the scale says?

 

[w8tlifterty]

Queefer and jawbreakerkid,
thanks for all the insight guys, I really appreciate the help....
I think I will at least wait till mid cycle or if at all, to try the slin...you guys really help to put things in perspective. If there is anything else you fellas think of be sure and let me know.....

 

[IronMike]

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I think your revised approach looks solid as you like. If you don't think your gains are coming along, I think you should leave open the option of upping the test.

Maybe think about saving your slin for post-cycle. It's the only time I'm using it atm. With you working out and carbing up heavily in the morning anyway, I'm not sure throwing it in post-workout will give you that many more gains (maybe some obviously). Up to you. IronMike

 

[w8tlifterty]

thanks for the reply Mike,
Actually I was starting to think about leaving the slin for PCT, give me a chance to see how I gain on 600/400 test/deca respectively, and if gains slow up the test or add in the slin....
Thanks bud