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I agree, but your post is based on the assumption that MD allopathic medicine is the only master medicine in the world, and that is where the huge mistake is. As mentioned before, allopathic medicine only relies on 2 things: Drugs and surgery. Thats it. Nothing more. Why? because that is what they are trained for, that is the purpose of their field. So when you talk about the guy walking in with bad LDL numbers, THAT IS TOO LATE. Basically this field of medicine, Allopathic MD, waits until shit breaks to then patch it which is the wrong approach.

Your car for example. Do you wait until the cylinders are about to burst to then take it to the mechanic and put oil? or rather you prevent any failure by changing oil, filter, checking all fluids and replacing filters? The latter correct? then why the body has to be treated different?

In fact, allopathic medicine is unable to provide preventative care, for the same reason. All they can do is provide early detection. Which again, it means to wait until shit breaks to patch it. Wrong approach.

The fair and proper way to care for health is a holistic way. The only preventative field of medicine is Naturopathic Medicine which is only licensed in some 32 states, courtesy of Pharmaceutical corporations. Of course, because Naturopath cure through nutrient therapy which is what the body is made of, not drugs. And by curing, pharmaceutical corporations lose billions of dollars. Therefore Naturopathic Medicine = Quacks.

If we had a real free medical market FOR THE PEOPLE, and not just strictly for profit, we would have insurance covered access to Traditional Chinese medicine, Acupuncture, Quiropractic Medicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Naturopathic Medicine, and Allopathic medicine with was created for trauma.

If I break a bone, that is what an MD is for. If I never took care of myself and my apendix is about to burst, that is what an MD is for. If I chop off a finger and need it reattached, that is what an MD is for. That is their field. But if my liver numbers are bad, an MD has ZERO jurisdiction there. Wrong specialist. All that MD can do in that case is "treat" me through drugs and surgery which is ridiculous, when the body has its own mechanism of repair and balance out when the raw materials are provided in the right amounts, for age and weight, and that field is Naturopathic Medicine.

Your argument goes bad from the get go. Most people know that abusing fast food, sugary snacks, smoking, alcohol, etc isn't good for them. A lot of doctors refer their patients for nutritional counseling but most don't care and doctors don't have any control over that. It's not fair to blame a persons lifestyle on their doctor. It's up to the individual to be proactive and seek out healthy options. The ones that don't will pay a price and western medicine will help them as much as possible if they have an event or a disease becomes present. After that, they can seek supplements a better way of living if they choose!
 

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Your argument goes bad from the get go. Most people know that abusing fast food, sugary snacks, smoking, alcohol, etc isn't good for them. A lot of doctors refer their patients for nutritional counseling but most don't care and doctors don't have any control over that. It's not fair to blame a persons lifestyle on their doctor. It's up to the individual to be proactive and seek out healthy options. The ones that don't will pay a price and western medicine will help them as much as possible if they have an event or a disease becomes present. After that, they can seek supplements a better way of living if they choose!

Nope, my argument is correct but I agree with your point. My argument is that people has been trained to give away their lives to an almighty allopathic doctor in a way that it seems like he has all the monopoly of medical knowledge which is not true.

In reality, I dont blame the doctor. The doctor can be the best soul on this planet with the best intention in the world, but he lack the tools to properly asses something that doesn't belong to his/her field. In this case chronic symptoms and diseases. The doctor "fell" in this system that was created by pharmaceutical corporations. I also do not directly blame the patient because as I said, all of us have been channeled through this path and system in which billions and billons of dollars are made at the expense of our quality of life.

I do blame pharmaceutical corporations and congress. Big pharma is in business strictly for profit. Nothing more. No care nor regard for human life or quality of life. In order to carry their agenda, they lobby politicians. They finance their campaigns, they cover them with perks, vouchers, gifts, everything. The politician once elected has no other option than returning the favor to that pharma company. And ultimately, we, the average citizen pays the price.

That is why I agree with you that it takes for people to wake up and learn by themselves (unfortunately) on how to live a healthier better life. People who do not follow advises about nutrition I cant completely blame them because they dont really know the huge importance of it in order to give it priority.
 

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Nope, my argument is correct but I agree with your point. My argument is that people has been trained to give away their lives to an almighty allopathic doctor in a way that it seems like he has all the monopoly of medical knowledge which is not true.

In reality, I dont blame the doctor. The doctor can be the best soul on this planet with the best intention in the world, but he lack the tools to properly asses something that doesn't belong to his/her field. In this case chronic symptoms and diseases. The doctor "fell" in this system that was created by pharmaceutical corporations. I also do not directly blame the patient because as I said, all of us have been channeled through this path and system in which billions and billons of dollars are made at the expense of our quality of life.

I do blame pharmaceutical corporations and congress. Big pharma is in business strictly for profit. Nothing more. No care nor regard for human life or quality of life. In order to carry their agenda, they lobby politicians. They finance their campaigns, they cover them with perks, vouchers, gifts, everything. The politician once elected has no other option than returning the favor to that pharma company. And ultimately, we, the average citizen pays the price.

That is why I agree with you that it takes for people to wake up and learn by themselves (unfortunately) on how to live a healthier better life. People who do not follow advises about nutrition I cant completely blame them because they dont really know the huge importance of it in order to give it priority.

I can agree somewhat with what you're saying, however the absolute statement in bold is incorrect. There are plenty of medications that help people. You seem to think that all illness and disease could be curtailed with a certain nutritional intake. How could you possibly make and prove that statement? It's not possible! You can want it to be true but there's no proof to it.

On another note, please leave the political part out of your argument. I understand it was general but it's against the rules. And let's end the soapbox of natural vs western medicine. It's getting way off topic now and that argument belongs on a completely different forum!
 

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I agree, but your post is based on the assumption that MD allopathic medicine is the only master medicine in the world, and that is where the huge mistake is. As mentioned before, allopathic medicine only relies on 2 things: Drugs and surgery. Thats it. Nothing more. Why? because that is what they are trained for, that is the purpose of their field. So when you talk about the guy walking in with bad LDL numbers, THAT IS TOO LATE. Basically this field of medicine, Allopathic MD, waits until shit breaks to then patch it which is the wrong approach.

Your car for example. Do you wait until the cylinders are about to burst to then take it to the mechanic and put oil? or rather you prevent any failure by changing oil, filter, checking all fluids and replacing filters? The latter correct? then why the body has to be treated different?

In fact, allopathic medicine is unable to provide preventative care, for the same reason. All they can do is provide early detection. Which again, it means to wait until shit breaks to patch it. Wrong approach.

The fair and proper way to care for health is a holistic way. The only preventative field of medicine is Naturopathic Medicine which is only licensed in some 32 states, courtesy of Pharmaceutical corporations. Of course, because Naturopath cure through nutrient therapy which is what the body is made of, not drugs. And by curing, pharmaceutical corporations lose billions of dollars. Therefore Naturopathic Medicine = Quacks.

If we had a real free medical market FOR THE PEOPLE, and not just strictly for profit, we would have insurance covered access to Traditional Chinese medicine, Acupuncture, Quiropractic Medicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Naturopathic Medicine, and Allopathic medicine with was created for trauma.

If I break a bone, that is what an MD is for. If I never took care of myself and my apendix is about to burst, that is what an MD is for. If I chop off a finger and need it reattached, that is what an MD is for. That is their field. But if my liver numbers are bad, an MD has ZERO jurisdiction there. Wrong specialist. All that MD can do in that case is "treat" me through drugs and surgery which is ridiculous, when the body has its own mechanism of repair and balance out when the raw materials are provided in the right amounts, for age and weight, and that field is Naturopathic Medicine.

There are active 20 year olds who have bad LDL numbers. What should that person do? See a Naturopath starting at 7 years old?

Regular medicine doesn't necessarily wait for stuff to break down, there's just no need to poke and prod at things when they are working properly. The chronic diseases that people are treated for after being diagnosed with them isn't because allopathic medicine is forcing them to come in after the issue, it's because of things like inactivity, poor eating habits, bad body composition, and poor healthcare+education on these matters

There is definitely medical mistakes; both in over-prescribing, and over testing for things that will cause more harm than good. I've seen neglect from terrible docs, giving patients scripts they have no business taking, and a general callousness when it came to patient complaint of pain or issues; but I have also seen the opposite as well. And yes it is a system to make money (especially for some docs/clinics), but there's no definite area here. Good people, bad people, tall people, short people...there's variety everywhere

P.S- I met one naturopath at a place I used to work once; she looked like a disheveled street vendor from a Guy Ritchie movie. No hello, or greeting, just walks up straight to me and says "Don't take creatine, your kidneys will fail"... Me: "Too late now I guess"...
 

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There are active 20 year olds who have bad LDL numbers. What should that person do? See a Naturopath starting at 7 years old?
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Regular medicine doesn't necessarily wait for stuff to break down, there's just no need to poke and prod at things when they are working properly. The chronic diseases that people are treated for after being diagnosed with them isn't because allopathic medicine is forcing them to come in after the issue, it's because of things like inactivity, poor eating habits, bad body composition, and poor healthcare+education on these matters

There is definitely medical mistakes; both in over-prescribing, and over testing for things that will cause more harm than good. I've seen neglect from terrible docs, giving patients scripts they have no business taking, and a general callousness when it came to patient complaint of pain or issues; but I have also seen the opposite as well. And yes it is a system to make money (especially for some docs/clinics), but there's no definite area here. Good people, bad people, tall people, short people...there's variety everywhere

P.S- I met one naturopath at a place I used to work once; she looked like a disheveled street vendor from a Guy Ritchie movie. No hello, or greeting, just walks up straight to me and says "Don't take creatine, your kidneys will fail"... Me: "Too late now I guess"...

It is as simple as seeing the right specialist. That is all.

A plumber deal with leaks and fluids. Therefore could work on your car correct? NOPE, wrong. Thats is the approach we have been told to follow when it comes to our health. MD allopathic directed medicine, once again, has NOTHING to do with chronic symptoms and diseases. And I invite anybody to please prove me wrong. There is a reason why is called ALLOPATHIC. Th fact that we rely on them for everything, doesnt mean is correct. We just have been trained that way because is more profitable to keep people alive living on drugs and procedures rather than curing them.
 

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It is as simple as seeing the right specialist. That is all.

A plumber deal with leaks and fluids. Therefore could work on your car correct? NOPE, wrong. Thats is the approach we have been told to follow when it comes to our health. MD allopathic directed medicine, once again, has NOTHING to do with chronic symptoms and diseases. And I invite anybody to please prove me wrong. There is a reason why is called ALLOPATHIC. Th fact that we rely on them for everything, doesnt mean is correct. We just have been trained that way because is more profitable to keep people alive living on drugs and procedures rather than curing them.

Nobody can prove you wrong when you can't prove anything in the first place!

Off your soapbox and let's move on! Time to stick with the topic!!
 

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Nobody can prove you wrong when you can't prove anything in the first place!

Off your soapbox and let's move on! Time to stick with the topic!!

Yes I will PM others to continue the conversation. Bottom line, I stick to the correct health practices and lifestyle, not to drugs. Results speak louder than words. I live without any chronic condition or symptom and I am not 20's anymore, only prescription is Anabolic Steroids and Growth Hormone.
 

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It is as simple as seeing the right specialist. That is all.

A plumber deal with leaks and fluids. Therefore could work on your car correct? NOPE, wrong. Thats is the approach we have been told to follow when it comes to our health. MD allopathic directed medicine, once again, has NOTHING to do with chronic symptoms and diseases. And I invite anybody to please prove me wrong. There is a reason why is called ALLOPATHIC. Th fact that we rely on them for everything, doesnt mean is correct. We just have been trained that way because is more profitable to keep people alive living on drugs and procedures rather than curing them.
What do you think about Osteopathic doctors? I took some classes at an Osteopathic school and could see how knowledgeable they are. Im just curious about your opinion on them.
 

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