How critical is high HR if BP etc. is fine?

[M@NU]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

 

[traininsane11]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

Interested in this also. My RHR always seems on the higher side it was down to around mid 70’s then after starting this rebound up to around 90 I realise it’s the addition of GH and the big bodyweight jump but even after adding Nebivolol etc it’s not come down much hoping it drops down when my weight stays stable for a few weeks. Always been on the higher side with RHR though and like you had no side effects from it that I’m aware of

 

[EnhancedFatGrappler]

It is not bad bad, but I would definitely keep an close eye on it, and try all the lifestyle tweaks you can do to lower it. Like frequent cardio over the day (like 20 mins after waking up, 20 mins after lunch, 20 mins after dinner), no smoking, no alcohol, diet etc

 

[luki7788]

I strongly recommend keeping your resting heart rate below 70

your heart rate is very important even when your blood pressure is ok - your heart rate is like engine revs, let me give you an example. An F1 car engine works at very high revs. On the other hand, a diesel engine in a truck works at low revs. The first one wears out after one race, the second one does hundreds of thousands of km - your heart rate is revs - and your heart is one of these engines - which one do you choose...?

 

[M@NU]

I strongly recommend keeping your resting heart rate below 70

your heart rate is very important even when your blood pressure is ok - your heart rate is like engine revs, let me give you an example. An F1 car engine works at very high revs. On the other hand, a diesel engine in a truck works at low revs. The first one wears out after one race, the second one does hundreds of thousands of km - your heart rate is revs - and your heart is one of these engines - which one do you choose...?

well, i do cardio (4 times a week a 30-40min liss/miss), get my steps in (10-15k daily) and take my 8,75mg nebivolol.
Would you suggest trying to up nebivolol or would you reduce the blast?

 

[luki7788]

well, i do cardio (4 times a week a 30-40min liss/miss), get my steps in (10-15k daily) and take my 8,75mg nebivolol.
Would you suggest trying to up nebivolol or would you reduce the blast?

Will you jump straight into the cycle you described with 350 test and 10 iu hgh?

 

[M@NU]

no, i would try to reduce the tren/hgh to get the heart rate down.
maybe 140mg tren hex and 12iu hgh and see where i am at then?
what do you think about that?

 

[luki7788]

I think you und me wrong - I take in my mind you run 350mg test and 10iu gh and right after this you jump straight to 1g test
250mg tren
300mg primo
16iu gh

If you do this that’s you mistake. You need up the doses werry slowly up until you go to max dosage. You do it to fast thats why body reacts like thi. Body must have time to adapt

 

[M@NU]

I think you und me wrong - I take in my mind you run 350mg test and 10iu gh and right after this you jump straight to 1g test
250mg tren
300mg primo
16iu gh

If you do this that’s you mistake. You need up the doses werry slowly up until you go to max dosage. You do it to fast thats why body reacts like thi. Body must have time to adapt

hmm.. you might be right, that might be the issue.
I thought using long esters it is no problem since they build up slowly anyway.
you think it might regulate within the next 2-3 weeks?

 

[luki7788]

hmm.. you might be right, that might be the issue.
I thought using long esters it is no problem since they build up slowly anyway.
you think it might regulate within the next 2-3 weeks?

It may or may not. I would reduce the test to 750mg tren to 150mg and gh to 12-14iu - wait 2 weeks and if it normalizes and stays for another 2 weeks I would increase the test again after another 2 weeks of gh and after another 2 weeks of tren - assuming of course that HR stays in a good range

 

[Mufasa123]

I thought using long esters it is no problem since they build up slowly anyway.

What I've found - when things go right as planned, long esters seem to build slowly. When something goes wrong, you realize how fast they actually do build. Philosophical reference point only, you've already received better advice and more qualified than I can give you. Might resolve itself as you acclimate, might not and you have to come back later and/or drop down further. We've all been here.

 

[M@NU]

It may or may not. I would reduce the test to 750mg tren to 150mg and gh to 12-14iu - wait 2 weeks and if it normalizes and stays for another 2 weeks I would increase the test again after another 2 weeks of gh and after another 2 weeks of tren - assuming of course that HR stays in a good range

thanks Luki,
will do exactly that!
great advice as always from one of the most knowledgable members here!

 

[Vanguards]

Luki's analogy with the car engine is spot on.

Long term, a high resting heart rate is bad news. It just means your heart is having to work extra hard to get enough blood flow.


The more cardio you do, the stronger your heart becomes, the more efficient it will become in achieving the same blood circulation (with a lower rhr)--is my understanding of it.

I've actually started running 2 miles/day again since dropping tren. Tren is notorious for increasing rhr and hindering cardiovascular endurance. Gh also increases rhr, so the combination of them seems to line up with the side effects that you're describing, although I'm surpised with the addition of nebivolol that it's not lower.

How often do you do cardio and at what intensity?

 

[Growthman]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

Critical based on my prior research, but before you freak out like I did…How are you testing your rhr? (Was it the same before/after the increase? I was testing with a cuff getting 70’s+ then chilling on couch with a watch was low 60’s) Did you switch brands of gh? (Earlier this year there were two separate brands which spiked my rhr to 80’s and now I’ve found a brand which doesn’t do this to me—I have a thread on this, the new gh allegedly has no dimer but i can’t say for sure 1000% that was the culprit) Have you noticed a decrease in sleep quantity/quality since starting the tren? (Subjectively by feel or objectively with a watch etc) Caffeine intake the same? Stressing yourself out prior to/during testing in anticipation? Has your diet changed with the drug change? Hydrated? With electrolytes?

 

[NEMSZ]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

Hey brother; I don’t want to come off as preachy here, as you are a grown man and you do as you please but I’m just curious here;

Wasn’t it you that had a pretty serious heart attack and/or heart failure just a couple years ago in your early/mid 30’s??

If it’s not you, then I apologize, but I’m pretty sure it was you..

Just curious what ever happened with that? Was it genetic? I remember you saying you felt like it was probably some high dose low quality HGH you were running that could’ve been the culprit??


Just curious what might have happened to make a person go from such a serious situation with their health to blasting a decent dose of AAS with a pretty damn high dose of HGH??

Asking out of genuine curiosity, not trying to bash you at all..

If you’re healthy and cleared by the docs and you’re ready to go, then have at it bro, it’s your life and the only one you got but just be safe man, I hope you stay healthy and don’t get any more scares..

On the topic, I remember @nothuman posting a study a couple years ago that showed your RHR directly correlates to longevity and life expectancy sooooo you might want to bring that down

I think Luki hit it on the head though, might have been too big of a jump in gear/GH..

 

[hawkmoon]

Hi together,

currently i am running a blast since few weeks again.
my cruise was 13 weeks on 350mg test and 10iu hgh.
since 6 weeks i am running 1g test + 250mg tren hex + 300mg primo + 16iu hgh. E2 is mid of range
My heart rate spiked from usual nighttime around 62-64 to 75-77 and daytime from low 70's to 88-90bpm
i suspect it is the tren because the hgh dosage is not new to me. the combination of this hgh dosage + tren however is.
i am already taking 8,75mg nebivolol since years.

My BP is okay with 125-133/70-77.
blood sugar is always on the low side (even without tren)
how critical do you think the high resting heart rate is?
i have no palpitations, feel good, am not out of breah.
it just robs me a bit of piece of mind

thanks!
regards,
Manu

One thing I don't see here is exactly when your HR jumped and how long it has been going on. You mention when you started your cycle but not when the HR sped up.
First of all I agree with everything @luki said, so bring it down and work your way back up, that's essential anyway.

I ask how long you have had an elevated HR because an acute elevation could be the sign of an otherwise unnoticed infection of some kind. Do you have a way to get your HRV, such as a fitness tracker?
My HR elevates when I have to increase my asthma medication dosages so I am always watching it, and sure it enough it ticks up often before I notice I'm sick - I can see it retrospectively in my tracker data.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1566070223000450

 

[M@NU]

Critical based on my prior research, but before you freak out like I did…How are you testing your rhr? (Was it the same before/after the increase? I was testing with a cuff getting 70’s+ then chilling on couch with a watch was low 60’s) Did you switch brands of gh? (Earlier this year there were two separate brands which spiked my rhr to 80’s and now I’ve found a brand which doesn’t do this to me—I have a thread on this, the new gh allegedly has no dimer but i can’t say for sure 1000% that was the culprit) Have you noticed a decrease in sleep quantity/quality since starting the tren? (Subjectively by feel or objectively with a watch etc) Caffeine intake the same? Stressing yourself out prior to/during testing in anticipation? Has your diet changed with the drug change? Hydrated? With electrolytes?

i more or less test during random times of the day.
I got up 30min ago and tested and it was 79 there, so i might have overreacted a bit.
The 90+ i mainly see if i test during the day at random times. might be ive just eaten or came home from my car walking stars 2-3mins prior etc.
What i totally forgot:
i took 1,5mg tirzepatide daily to aid blood sugar while running high hgh.
Tirzepatide alone increased my HR. I am not sure why it wasnt on my radar yesterday.
But i decreased the dosage today since i want to be atleast mid 70 again. Also dropped the tirzepatide to 1,5mg eod

@NEMSZ yes, thats me.
its a genetic thing, called non-compaction cardiomyopathy.
And dont get me wrong: i am not playing roulette with my health here (or not more then i would if i were "healthy").
ive experimented alot over the last almost 4 years to see what this heart condition tolerates and what not.
E.g. i can not run NPP, DECA, Trest or DBOL. I have to keep my water retention at a pretty low level.
I have run quaterly Echos on several different amounts and components over this timeframe to see what "hurts" me and what not.
(my Echos in Q1 this year was even on a higher blast but tren was at a lower dosage. Primo was way higher and mast was in there too.
After this Echo my doc said "you are pretty much stable, mitral insufficiency went from high insufficience to low insuffiecience so keep doing what you are doing
.. i just thought "ehmm... better not xD)
I dont take your question as offensive. I would ask the same if someone else were in my shoes and probably think he is crazy.
TBH.. Bodybuilding is a very big part of my life. I would not be able to let it go without getting big mental issues..

 

[aHarness]

It is very important, but especially given what you’re running I don’t find your RHR so high to the point where I’d be freaking out or anything.

When you say nighttime RHR, do you mean while you’re asleep?

 

[King-kong2]

How long do you plan to run the tren. Imo if doing a longer cycle I’d def try a lower dose. A shorter length I’d just watch it closely. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the beast with tren. Body in high gear. Sleepless nights. Night sweats etc. Most guys don’t know their resting hr before and after so at least your being careful. A lot depends on your medical history. Age. Family heart issues etc. nothin comes without some risk. Esp w tren and a few others.

 

[M@NU]

How long do you plan to run the tren. Imo if doing a longer cycle I’d def try a lower dose. A shorter length I’d just watch it closely. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the beast with tren. Body in high gear. Sleepless nights. Night sweats etc. Most guys don’t know their resting hr before and after so at least your being careful. A lot depends on your medical history. Age. Family heart issues etc. nothin comes without some risk. Esp w tren and a few others.

i plan to run the tren for another 6 weeks. so 12 weeks in total.
i havent injected any tren today. will wait a few days for the dosage in the body to get down a bit (due to the long ester) and then start again with 20mg daily.
might titrate up to 25mg then and if HR stays good, go to 30mg daily (so 210mg)
i dont have worse sleep with tren or night sweats. I am fine, cardio i also unaffected its just my hr which went up
@aHarness
yes, but my sleep is very fragmented since years. I am usually awake every 60-75min which also affects my average Nighttime hr.
during my "true" sleep cycles my hr is around 67-70