how effective is L-Carnatine at burning fat?

[abolish the weak]

just curious. I've been hooked on these low carb "Monster" energy drinks lately. Only like 10 cals and 3 grams sugar/serving. I've noticed myself getting alot leaner lately, like leaner w/ no cardio than when I was doing it, its strange. I read the can and it says it has some 2500mg energy blend of L-Carnatine, Taurine, caffiene, and some other shit. Call me crazy, but I'm getting leaner drinking these things. Almost like its one of the best thermogenic drinks I've had so far in terms of results. I figure its the L-Carnatine in it thats doing it. It's motivating me so I think I'm just going to get some synthatek fat burning shit cause thats L Carnatine I think.

 

[Big A]

just curious. I've been hooked on these low carb "Monster" energy drinks lately. Only like 10 cals and 3 grams sugar/serving. I've noticed myself getting alot leaner lately, like leaner w/ no cardio than when I was doing it, its strange. I read the can and it says it has some 2500mg energy blend of L-Carnatine, Taurine, caffiene, and some other shit. Call me crazy, but I'm getting leaner drinking these things. Almost like its one of the best thermogenic drinks I've had so far in terms of results. I figure its the L-Carnatine in it thats doing it. It's motivating me so I think I'm just going to get some synthatek fat burning shit cause thats L Carnatine I think.

For L-carnintine to work, it has to be injected. Oral simply does not work.
Also, L-carnt is not a fat burner, but a fat transporter. All the info is here:
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[oldfella]

Syntheselen from Synthetek is what you want........this stuff is great!! Look it up on their site. Amazing quality and the fastest shipping anywhere!

 

[juced_porkchop]

For L-carnintine to work, it has to be injected. Oral simply does not work.
Also, L-carnt is not a fat burner, but a fat transporter. All the info is here:
**broken link removed**

unless its Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR)

N-Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR) is a modified (acetylated) form of L-Carnitine, a nitrogen-containing compound derived from L-Lysine. The carnitine molecule is necessary for the proper movement of fat molecules into the mitochondria for oxidation (fat burning). It seems to be beneficial for individuals suffering from a large array of maladies, including anorexia, chronic fatigue, coronary vascular disease, diphtheria, hypoglycemia, male infertility, muscular myopathies,, Rett syndrome, as well as preterm infants, dialysis patients, and HIV+ individuals7 ALCAR also seems to be very useful for age-associated cognitive impairment, such as Alzheimer’s8.



A controversial supplement for many years, its effect on exercise performance has not been established3. Similarly, studies examining the effect of ALCAR on fat oxidation have been mixed, with some studies showing a beneficial, lipolytic effect12, and others showing no effect4, 5, or even a shift toward greater carbohydrate (less fat) oxidation1. Animal studies suggest a nitrogen sparing effect of L-Carnitine during fasting6, but a study of humans undergoing a calorically restrictive diet and exercise program found no effect11. However, individuals with impaired muscle performance (possibly suggestive of deficiency) may benefit from L-Carnitine supplementation. A study by Pistone et al. 9 found that older individuals with highly fatigable muscles increased muscle mass, lost body fat, improved muscular performance and their blood lipid profiles simply by supplementing with L-Carnitine.



Supplement Use

L-Carnitine is more bioavailable when consumed in the normal diet, although supplemental forms of L-Carnitine are also absorbed (up to 6 g dose,14-18% absorption). High doses can cause gastric distress11. N-Acetyl L-Carnitine is absorbed intact, has similar pharmacokinetics as L-Carnitine, and elevates blood levels nearly 50%10. ALCAR may be especially useful for older individuals suffering from muscle fatigue, cardiovascular disease risk and cognitive impairment8. ALCAR could also be taken with alpha lipoic acid to prevent mitochondrial damage, which occurs as we age 2.


References



1. Abramowicz, W. N. and S. D. Galloway. Effects of acute versus chronic L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on metabolic responses to steady state exercise in males and females. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 15:386-400, 2005.

2. Ames, B. N. and J. Liu. Delaying the mitochondrial decay of aging with acetylcarnitine. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1033:108-116, 2004.

3. Brass, E. P. Carnitine and sports medicine: use or abuse? Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1033:67-78, 2004.

4. Broad, E. M., R. J. Maughan, and S. D. Galloway. Effects of four weeks L-carnitine L-tartrate ingestion on substrate utilization during prolonged exercise. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 15:665-679, 2005.

5. Decombaz, J., O. Deriaz, K. Acheson, B. Gmuender, and E. Jequier. Effect of L-carnitine on submaximal exercise metabolism after depletion of muscle glycogen. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 25:733-740, 1993.

6. Heo, K., J. Odle, I. K. Han, W. Cho, S. Seo, E. van Heugten, and D. H. Pilkington. Dietary L-carnitine improves nitrogen utilization in growing pigs fed low energy, fat-containing diets. J Nutr. 130:1809-1814, 2000.

7. Kelly, G. S. L-Carnitine: therapeutic applications of a conditionally-essential amino acid. Altern Med Rev. 3:345-360, 1998.

8. Montgomery, S. A., L. J. Thal, and R. Amrein. Meta-analysis of double blind randomized controlled clinical trials of acetyl-L-carnitine versus placebo in the treatment of mild cognitive impairment and mild Alzheimer's disease. Int Clin Psychopharmacol. 18:61-71, 2003.

9. Pistone, G., A. Marino, C. Leotta, S. Dell'Arte, G. Finocchiaro, and M. Malaguarnera. Levocarnitine administration in elderly subjects with rapid muscle fatigue: effect on body composition, lipid profile and fatigue. Drugs Aging. 20:761-767, 2003.

10. Rebouche, C. J. Kinetics, pharmacokinetics, and regulation of L-carnitine and acetyl-L-carnitine metabolism. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1033:30-41, 2004.

look into
ALCAR if u want it orally or check out syntheke its also a vary good place to go!

ps. i take 0.5-1g ALCAR daily .5 im my morning shake along with turine and 1-2g creatine i feel its help out to start the day

 

[Phidias]

Syntheselen from Synthetek is what you want........this stuff is great!! Look it up on their site. Amazing quality and the fastest shipping anywhere!

Syntheselen is a truly awesome product, but it works even better combined with Synthetine (I think that's the one you wanted to talk about, old buddy).

As Big A said, only the injectable version of L-Carnitine works. So you could take 10g a day of carnitine tabs, it wouldn't do shit for you...

All I know is everytime I get off Synthetine my leaness seems to inexorably fade away.

 

[Phidias]

unless its Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR)

As said in the study you posted, the increased benefits for fat loss of the acetyl version vs traditional L-Carnitine have not been demonstrated.

Should be useful for your mood in combination with acetyl l-tyrosine though.

 

[Jarconis]

are you guys pinning this sub-q?

 

[oldfella]

Syntheselen is a truly awesome product, but it works even better combined with Synthetine (I think that's the one you wanted to talk about, old buddy).

As Big A said, only the injectable version of L-Carnitine works. So you could take 10g a day of carnitine tabs, it wouldn't do shit for you...

All I know is everytime I get off Synthetine my leaness seems to inexorably fade away.

HAHAHAHAHAHA where would I be without my young friend reminding me to take my meds. Yes Phidias it was the synthetine I was meanng to refer to and of course they both work EXTREMELY well together.

Thank you for covering my back..........I think??? LOL

 

[oldfella]

are you guys pinning this sub-q?

Must be done IM!!

 

[confuzed_guy2000]

Must be done IM!!

What about IV?

 

[Jarconis]

Must be done IM!!

25 g? 29?

 

[Phidias]

25 g? 29?

I only go with 23g or 25g 1' cause that's what I have but you should be fine with 29g too since both syntheselen and synthetine flow just like water.

 

[Phidias]

Thank you for covering my back..........I think??? LOL

 

[oldfella]

What about IV?

It is water based but I would not do this. IM works just fine!

 

[KillerStack]

According to studies you need to be hyperinsulemic to increase muscle carnitine content (even when administering IV carnitine).

 

[GoneForever]

How many cc's of this do you guys use daily. Their recommendation is 1ml per 55lbs. Im around 240lbs so 4-5ml per day,that bottle is gonna run out quick for $60. How effective is this stuff. Better than an eca at fat burning? Etc....thanks

 

[Armageddon]

1st I have OT used the SYNTHETEK product. I have however used a product made by a long time under ground chemist that has a very different product list. This product was said to be shot sub-Q, 1st few shots weren't too bad. However the sting became unberable and I tried IM, and that was a mistake!! Thoughts I shot myself in the thigh. As soon as I finished it felt like a weight just dropped into my hamstring. This was the most pain I've even been in. After this I could never handle the sting again, even when adding something with it to stop that. Wish I could get past it, as the places I shot sub-Q on my abs pretty much melted away. It almost looks like a small divet under the skin. Again this isn't a sponsor, just an old experience from a similair product.

 

[confuzed_guy2000]

It is water based but I would not do this. IM works just fine!

I don't know. I'd rather save the muscle for an oil based vitamin shot or something

Just wondering if by going IV I might be able to reduce the dosage a tad - maybe 2 mls instead of 4 mls.

Also, not to stir the pot or anything, I hear that going IV via drip bag overnight is a way to take in nutrition and feed the muscles whilst sleeping. Of course this could be just internet "talk" but it seems to make a little sense to me.

Luckily I'm not, nor ever will, be at the level do do crazy shit like that!

 

[blackhole]

Dr. Michael Colgan in his 1993 book 'Optimum Sports Nutriton' raves about the great effects of L-carnitine. According to him caffeine, ephedrine, aspirin, L-carnitine, chromium picolinate and a buttload of fiber is the key for consistent fat loss.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Does anybody have any studies or information i can read on why it must be injected and why its more potent that way?