How I found out that they DO NOT judge the night show.

[eroc613]

I did a warm up show, not doing any major changing leading into the show. (Just shedding a little water) I didn't have high expectations, I just wanted to expirement a little to see what my body would do. Plus I wasn't really comfortable with how lean I was. (not lean enough in my eyes)
Well, I go to prejudging and we had the biggest class of 3. (I know not many.) So during prejudging everytime we hit a pose, the judges are looking to the oppisite side of the stage, not even giving me a look. Any way they move him to the center for the last set of manidtories, next to me, and I can see some of the judges start to look at me finally, I even see a couple with suprised looks on their faces, like "where did he come from." (maybe it was me, and I misread their expressions) But either way I had a feeling I lost to him, due to not being lean enough. I was definitely bigger than him, and that was a first for me. I have always been the smaller guy and the class, so that was enough for me to be happy.
Well the night show comes around and I go out to do my posing routine. Start hitting my poses and hear one of the women judges say "goodness" when I hit my second pose (I at least think it was her, I was on stage so nothing is crystal clear) During my third pose I look down, and I see one of the other judges mouthing "He looks good". So start thinking they are still judging. Wrong. The other guy wins our class, I get 2nd. The guy from our class doesn't win the overall.
After the show is over, I go up to the judges table to get some advice on what I did wrong. The head judge spots me, and says "Your just the guy I wanted to see." "What did you do after prejuding?" he asks. I confused so I asked him what he meant. Long story short, he said if I would have looked the same way at prejudging, as I did tonight, I would have won my class hands down, and most likely won the overall. Well it is what it is. I learned something pretty important. The evening show isn't judged.

 

[mitochondria]

lol i thought you were talking about the night show on tv

 

[ronnie0072]

omg. what he meant was that you didnt earn as many points as you should of in the prejudgeing because of your so called "off" condition. Meaning if you nailed it both rounds you would have won because you would have been ahead in points. Jesus chirst. everyone is looking for a conspiracy theory.

 

[eroc613]

omg. what he meant was that you didnt earn as many points as you should of in the prejudgeing because of your so called "off" condition. Meaning if you nailed it both rounds you would have won because you would have been ahead in points. Jesus chirst. everyone is looking for a conspiracy theory.

Really? You think everyone is looking for a consiracy theory? He told me the people that show up at the night show to watch, don't understand the judging is done at prejudging. Besides the other guy didn't even win prejudging with perfect scores. He showed me the scoresheet and there was only one set of scores.
Try not to hate on other people it makes you look like a hater.

 

[tenny]

your correct......they know who won after prejudging
at amature shows

unless......its close

then they judge your routine and night show
which is more the case for larger pro qualifing shows

 

[MSTR Painter]

Doing my first show

I`ll be doing my first show on June 12th. I am pumped !

 

[eroc613]

your correct......they know who won after prejudging
at amature shows

unless......its close

then they judge your routine and night show
which is more the case for larger pro qualifing shows

I was just sharing because I didn't know that was the case.

 

[B DOG]

If you are leading after pre-judging you almost have not show up at the night show to lose. To say they don't judge the night show is not correct. However, not as many points are given for your routine and condition at the night show. Those points only become a factor when the the scoring after pre-judging turns out to be close. In alot of cases the opposite happens. The guy who ends of winning doesn't look the best at the night show and people don't understand why he won. It's because he was leading by a wide enough margin after pre-judging that the points at the night show wouldn't have mattered, he just had to show up. But to say it's not judged and points are given is incorrect.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

if you don't win the prejudging, you won't win in my experience.
thats fairly common knowledge imo.
prejudging is for the judges.
night show is for fans -JS

 

[Shelby]

If you are leading after pre-judging you almost have not show up at the night show to lose. To say they don't judge the night show is not correct. However, not as many points are given for your routine and condition at the night show. Those points only become a factor when the the scoring after pre-judging turns out to be close. In alot of cases the opposite happens. The guy who ends of winning doesn't look the best at the night show and people don't understand why he won. It's because he was leading by a wide enough margin after pre-judging that the points at the night show wouldn't have mattered, he just had to show up. But to say it's not judged and points are given is incorrect.

Have you ever been to an amateur show that awarded points for a night show routine? I've never heard of such a thing, at least not at an NPC show.

 

[eroc613]

Have you ever been to an amateur show that awarded points for a night show routine? I've never heard of such a thing, at least not at an NPC show.

Thanks Shelby. He made it very clear to me I would have won the the class "hands down no question" if I looked like that at prejudging. And I more than likely would have won the overall, even though the guy that beat me in my class, did not win the overall. Even at prejudging i did get a 1st place vote.

I'm not proud of knowing I could have won the entire show, if I would just have timed it better. It sucks ass. But I learned, and I'm going to try to be better next time.
The head judge did give me his e-mail, so that he could help critque me. There is a lot of postive things that happened through my screw up.

 

[Jude2]

I will try to clear this up for you guys. I am a NPC judge and the only thing that gets judged at the night show is the over all. In a Musclemania show they give pionts in the night show for the posing round. Bottom line is you better peak for the prejudging for NPC shows.

 

[Marshal-1]

If you are leading after pre-judging you almost have not show up at the night show to lose. To say they don't judge the night show is not correct. However, not as many points are given for your routine and condition at the night show. Those points only become a factor when the the scoring after pre-judging turns out to be close. In alot of cases the opposite happens. The guy who ends of winning doesn't look the best at the night show and people don't understand why he won. It's because he was leading by a wide enough margin after pre-judging that the points at the night show wouldn't have mattered, he just had to show up. But to say it's not judged and points are given is incorrect.[/QUOTE]

Actually these statements are the ones that are incorrect.

 

[pesty4077]

Eroc, Don't get disappointed. It happens to the best. All amatuer shows are decided in prejudging, except for the overall. You have 1 shot to look your best at that time. I have seen many fans get pissed off, when thier guy gets beat by someone who doesn't look as good, at the night show.

A sure sign when they line you up in prejudging, the first call out, the top 5 will be called. Whoever stands in the middle is usally the winner, and second and third stands next to them, and fourth and fifth will be at the ends.

I have seen alot of competitors look better sometimes a day later. It does them no good at that time. After so many years and competing, you will know your body better. Or, do like me and hire someone to be your eyes for you. Back to training and hopefully you will peak better next time. Don't give up brother, just train harder!

 

[eroc613]

Eroc, Don't get disappointed. It happens to the best. All amatuer shows are decided in prejudging, except for the overall. You have 1 shot to look your best at that time. I have seen many fans get pissed off, when thier guy gets beat by someone who doesn't look as good, at the night show.

A sure sign when they line you up in prejudging, the first call out, the top 5 will be called. Whoever stands in the middle is usally the winner, and second and third stands next to them, and fourth and fifth will be at the ends.

I have seen alot of competitors look better sometimes a day later. It does them no good at that time. After so many years and competing, you will know your body better. Or, do like me and hire someone to be your eyes for you. Back to training and hopefully you will peak better next time. Don't give up brother, just train harder!

Pesty, I look at the positve sides of everything that happened. It's told one of my friends, it doesn't matter because I'm not ready for the national level, yet. I've been comped as a lightweight, welter, middle (8 months ago at 174lbs) and now light-heavyweight (189lbs) I have nothing to be upset about.
I made a mistake, and it is what it is. Another lesson on a long road ahead.

 

[Lenny]

Pesty, I look at the positve sides of everything that happened. It's told one of my friends, it doesn't matter because I'm not ready for the national level, yet. I've been comped as a lightweight, welter, middle (8 months ago at 174lbs) and now light-heavyweight (189lbs) I have nothing to be upset about.
I made a mistake, and it is what it is. Another lesson on a long road ahead.

Why did you come in better at the night show? What did you do for that to happen OR did your body start to respond at later time than expected? But, I do agree at that level the show is most likely decided after prejudging. I took notes last year (I am weird like that) and even did a trial run a week or so before to see how I filled out...I thinking peaking 100% on is near impossible, but peaking at 90% is better than most will do and if you have enough muscle at the regional/state level it will go along way at 90%, well of course if you are lean and conditioned enough! Do not worry, it sounds like you learned a lot and have really progressed along, going from a lightweight - light heavy weight...this will just help you for the next time you compete.

 

[kdtl61]

I have been in 25 plus NPC shows and never had a night routine judged.

The Over all is the only judging I have ever seen done at night. Often that "judging" was already some what thought out after prejudging. Example: judges talking saying number 42 is your over all etc before night show even hits.. I just mean judging is fast. Most judges have seen it all and they dont need much time to decide placing etc.
Back to your 3 man class. I'm willing to bet the moment you guys finished your 1/4 turns the judges had 1st, 2nd and 3rd already in there heads if not on there cards. You guys could have left the stage and the scoring would have been the same. The 7 poses where you felt they were not looking was because scoring might have been done.????

One more thought is that the judge you spoke to in my opinion should have never made a statement as bold as you say. "That if you looked the same at pre-judging you would have one the class and maybe show" I my mind thats just wrong. From what we are hearing here you had the size just not the conditioning. Always remember it's those few minutes on stage that are judged.

OK, one more thought: lets say the guy who won your class went out and ate like a wild man. Drank a gallon of water and spilled and got filmy and a bit puffy. You stayed tight on your meal plan, easy on the water. Now look at the two of you and you look clearly like the winner. So, maybe you did not change that much but the other guy did??
Just food for thought. Bottom line is when we do warm up shows we need to use them as intended and placing are not the point.

Sounds like you have the mass you need just get stupid ripped and you will get your rewards. Best of luck in the next show.
K

 

[eroc613]

Why did you come in better at the night show? What did you do for that to happen OR did your body start to respond at later time than expected? But, I do agree at that level the show is most likely decided after prejudging. I took notes last year (I am weird like that) and even did a trial run a week or so before to see how I filled out...I thinking peaking 100% on is near impossible, but peaking at 90% is better than most will do and if you have enough muscle at the regional/state level it will go along way at 90%, well of course if you are lean and conditioned enough! Do not worry, it sounds like you learned a lot and have really progressed along, going from a lightweight - light heavy weight...this will just help you for the next time you compete.

After looking at the pics from prejudging, I was flat and depleted looking. My lines were not as crisp. I know what I did wrong, as far as food intake. I tried something it didn't work.
As far as the other guy, I respect him, he beat me. He will do well in any show he enters, and is a really nice guy. I don't want anyone to think I don't respect someone that fairly beat me.

 

[blackhulk]

I did a warm up show, not doing any major changing leading into the show. (Just shedding a little water) I didn't have high expectations, I just wanted to expirement a little to see what my body would do. Plus I wasn't really comfortable with how lean I was. (not lean enough in my eyes)
Well, I go to prejudging and we had the biggest class of 3. (I know not many.) So during prejudging everytime we hit a pose, the judges are looking to the oppisite side of the stage, not even giving me a look. Any way they move him to the center for the last set of manidtories, next to me, and I can see some of the judges start to look at me finally, I even see a couple with suprised looks on their faces, like "where did he come from." (maybe it was me, and I misread their expressions) But either way I had a feeling I lost to him, due to not being lean enough. I was definitely bigger than him, and that was a first for me. I have always been the smaller guy and the class, so that was enough for me to be happy.
Well the night show comes around and I go out to do my posing routine. Start hitting my poses and hear one of the women judges say "goodness" when I hit my second pose (I at least think it was her, I was on stage so nothing is crystal clear) During my third pose I look down, and I see one of the other judges mouthing "He looks good". So start thinking they are still judging. Wrong. The other guy wins our class, I get 2nd. The guy from our class doesn't win the overall.
After the show is over, I go up to the judges table to get some advice on what I did wrong. The head judge spots me, and says "Your just the guy I wanted to see." "What did you do after prejuding?" he asks. I confused so I asked him what he meant. Long story short, he said if I would have looked the same way at prejudging, as I did tonight, I would have won my class hands down, and most likely won the overall. Well it is what it is. I learned something pretty important. The evening show isn't judged.

yeah they know who is gonna win at the prejudge...the night show is for shits and giggles

 

[marilyn]

eroc,

I heard really good things this morning....you really most of looked great at the night show..keep working hard and stay positive.....judges were talking about you