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I know there have been many inquiries on the board about recovery and fertility issues after having been on gear for extended periods of time, so I figured I would share my experiences with this subject.
I am no expert on the subject, but as some of you know, I was "on" for 15 months before having to completely stop due to health issues. I ran 14-16 wks cycles during this time period at around 600mg test w/ 400mg EQ, although at pre-contest time, I think I was on a total of 1300mg or so. I would then "cruise" at 150-250mg test /wk for 10-16 wks. When I knew I had to come off due to my liver problem, I took 250iu HCG ED for 30 days, and then implemented clomid and aromasin in this manner:
30 days of 250iu HCG/day while gear was being tapered down
Wk1: 37.5mg aromasin ED
wk2-4: 25mg Aromasin/50mg clomid ED
Wk 5-8: 12.5 mg aromasin/ 50mg clomid ED
Wk 9-11: clomid 50mg ED
Wk 12-14: clomid 50mg EOD
I JUST GOT MY BLOODWORK RESULTS AND MY TEST LEVELS WERE:
TOTAL TEST: 744
FREE TEST: 128.7
BOTH OF THESE NUMBERS ARE AT THE TOP END OF THE NORMAL RANGE, I BELIEVE. These results were given to me today, and my last injection was the last week of February I believe.
MY experiences with this protocol have been superb compared to what I had "expected" them to be. I decided on this protocol after MUCH research, mainly on pubmed.com reading medical journals. Aromasin seemed to be the most potent substance for increasing natty test levels (Most studies showed a 60% increase in natural test) and therefore, probably the best for retaining gains. Clomid showed to be a great choice for stimulating the release of other hormones that promote a healthy HPTA such as FSH, LH etc... which would, in turn, theoretically, promote the production of healthy sperm levels (which was a worry for me, as I would like to have kids one day). I would have to say my experiences with coming off after being on for so long have been so much better than I expected. However, I will say the #1 key to this success and recovery, as well as retaining so much of my gains, can be attributed to keeping a strict diet and training program the whole time. MY squat is within 25 lbs of what it was when I was "on" and my deads are of about the same status. i was even cheating on my diet a lot and occassionally missing training sessions during this time. I haven't been living as much like a bodybuilder lately so i am surprised to have even done this well. However, when I do hit the gym, I BUST ASS, espcially in the squat rack, and I ALWAYS get my protein in (400g). I got off the scale today at 243 lbs, so I am only down 10lbs or so, but I am not NEAR as bloated either.
Just for the record, I am younger (22), so my results may be better than some others and obviously everyone responds differently...so please keep that in mind.
I figured I owed it to the board to share this after all the support I have recieved. I thank you all for that and God bless!
I am no expert on the subject, but as some of you know, I was "on" for 15 months before having to completely stop due to health issues. I ran 14-16 wks cycles during this time period at around 600mg test w/ 400mg EQ, although at pre-contest time, I think I was on a total of 1300mg or so. I would then "cruise" at 150-250mg test /wk for 10-16 wks. When I knew I had to come off due to my liver problem, I took 250iu HCG ED for 30 days, and then implemented clomid and aromasin in this manner:
30 days of 250iu HCG/day while gear was being tapered down
Wk1: 37.5mg aromasin ED
wk2-4: 25mg Aromasin/50mg clomid ED
Wk 5-8: 12.5 mg aromasin/ 50mg clomid ED
Wk 9-11: clomid 50mg ED
Wk 12-14: clomid 50mg EOD
I JUST GOT MY BLOODWORK RESULTS AND MY TEST LEVELS WERE:
TOTAL TEST: 744
FREE TEST: 128.7
BOTH OF THESE NUMBERS ARE AT THE TOP END OF THE NORMAL RANGE, I BELIEVE. These results were given to me today, and my last injection was the last week of February I believe.
MY experiences with this protocol have been superb compared to what I had "expected" them to be. I decided on this protocol after MUCH research, mainly on pubmed.com reading medical journals. Aromasin seemed to be the most potent substance for increasing natty test levels (Most studies showed a 60% increase in natural test) and therefore, probably the best for retaining gains. Clomid showed to be a great choice for stimulating the release of other hormones that promote a healthy HPTA such as FSH, LH etc... which would, in turn, theoretically, promote the production of healthy sperm levels (which was a worry for me, as I would like to have kids one day). I would have to say my experiences with coming off after being on for so long have been so much better than I expected. However, I will say the #1 key to this success and recovery, as well as retaining so much of my gains, can be attributed to keeping a strict diet and training program the whole time. MY squat is within 25 lbs of what it was when I was "on" and my deads are of about the same status. i was even cheating on my diet a lot and occassionally missing training sessions during this time. I haven't been living as much like a bodybuilder lately so i am surprised to have even done this well. However, when I do hit the gym, I BUST ASS, espcially in the squat rack, and I ALWAYS get my protein in (400g). I got off the scale today at 243 lbs, so I am only down 10lbs or so, but I am not NEAR as bloated either.
Just for the record, I am younger (22), so my results may be better than some others and obviously everyone responds differently...so please keep that in mind.
I figured I owed it to the board to share this after all the support I have recieved. I thank you all for that and God bless!
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