Immune system and AAS

skinny D · Sep 6, 2004

Hey bros got a ?. I'm getting ready to go back on soon. I have really bad teeth and get abcesses. When i first go back on and when i off my teeth get an abcess. My ? is, I heard nandrolone "boost" up the immune system, but i get gyno when i run Test and Nandrolone at the same time.

I have some Nandrolone phenyprop should i run it at the begining?

At what dose does Nandrolone help the immune system?

Is there any other AAS the bumps up the immune system?

Now i know some will say just get them pulled, but i don't have the money to get as many pulled as i NEED pulled and i don't trust dentis's so i have to go to an oral surgin. I have a bunch 500mg ampicillin and 150ml inj. penucillin(sp).

Thanks, skinny D

xcelbeyond · Sep 6, 2004

I've got the same thing - bad gums

IMHO I don't think AAS has anything to do with the abcesses (that come and go with me - just got over one or two). I never noticed getting them "on" and the two I just was from being off.

Do you know that if it's the nandrolone or test (or both!) that are causing problems? I've heard people say tha deca and tren both can cause progesterone-related gyno. This had been discussed at great lengths re: tren at the ol' Fina Board. I've heard the cause for tren gyno is prolactin-related (treated with bromocriptine) and/or IGF-1 related (treated with nolva - since it reduces IGF-1). I've heard that stanozolol (winny) competes for the progesterone receptor and that's what I've always used with tren (there's been much debate about how effective this is). The abortion drug RU-4x (don't remember - sorry) is also suppose to prevent progesterone-related problems.

I don't why I said all that because you're taking deca not tren. Maybe someone else can tell you something that makes sense!

mike ross · Sep 7, 2004

xcelbeyond said:
I've got the same thing - bad gums

IMHO I don't think AAS has anything to do with the abcesses (that come and go with me - just got over one or two). I never noticed getting them "on" and the two I just was from being off.

Do you know that if it's the nandrolone or test (or both!) that are causing problems? I've heard people say tha deca and tren both can cause progesterone-related gyno. This had been discussed at great lengths re: tren at the ol' Fina Board. I've heard the cause for tren gyno is prolactin-related (treated with bromocriptine) and/or IGF-1 related (treated with nolva - since it reduces IGF-1). I've heard that stanozolol (winny) competes for the progesterone receptor and that's what I've always used with tren (there's been much debate about how effective this is). The abortion drug RU-4x (don't remember - sorry) is also suppose to prevent progesterone-related problems.

I don't why I said all that because you're taking deca not tren. Maybe someone else can tell you something that makes sense!

the statements about deca and fina are true, progesterone related side effects are the worry and can be corrected with bromocriptine or another dopamine agonist.

steroids in general will lower one's immune system. this is a great concern in the cancer patients i deal with. oral prednisone or injected solu-medrol fix alot of problems and pain, but they open the patient up to be more susceptible to infection. steroids are steroids and they all lower you immune system to a degree. some less than others.

skinny D · Sep 7, 2004

xcelbeyond said:
I've got the same thing - bad gums

IMHO I don't think AAS has anything to do with the abcesses (that come and go with me - just got over one or two). I never noticed getting them "on" and the two I just was from being off.

Do you know that if it's the nandrolone or test (or both!) that are causing problems? I've heard people say tha deca and tren both can cause progesterone-related gyno. This had been discussed at great lengths re: tren at the ol' Fina Board. I've heard the cause for tren gyno is prolactin-related (treated with bromocriptine) and/or IGF-1 related (treated with nolva - since it reduces IGF-1). I've heard that stanozolol (winny) competes for the progesterone receptor and that's what I've always used with tren (there's been much debate about how effective this is). The abortion drug RU-4x (don't remember - sorry) is also suppose to prevent progesterone-related problems.

I don't why I said all that because you're taking deca not tren. Maybe someone else can tell you something that makes sense!

I feel you bro, makes bulking hell

I really don't get them that bad when i go on uselly, Just when i come off i get them bad! I've only done 3 cycles, I gotting bad abcess 3x comeing off, 2x going on. The weird thing is that i uselly get them every 1-2months when i'm not on, my last cycle(3rd) was like 22-28wks or so an i never once got one. I was ever bulking. They really didn't hurt as much ether. I pretty much ran Test cyp@750mg the whole time, Dbol at the beggin with a lil deca(400mgx2wks) and some tren in the middle.

I'm pretty sure (90%) it the deca. I was runing 750mg test cyp for 15wks or so Then i add 600mg deca, about 12-14days later i notice a lump about 3-4 M&M's big. I stoped ever thing an ran .5mg adex and 50mg nolva for 3-4wks, droped the adex and slowly lower the nolva down. I ran tren@350mg for about 6-8wks in the middle of the cycle.

I read some where that Nandrolone has a high affinty(sp) for receptors, could it have "kicked" some of the test out of the recptor and kinda "block" the receptor Leaveing more test to be convert to estrogen??

Thanks, skinny D