Is insulin pro-aging?

[Waeschpi2]

Hi all,

I keep on reading that for anti-aging, one should keep insulin levels down, e.g. by not eating simple carbs.

Now how about using insulin for bodybuilding, wouldn't that be pro-aging, i.e. you age faster?

Or would it be mainly the extra (simple) carbs consumed along with insulin?

 

[thethinker48]

Mostly everything done in bodybuilding has no bearing on preventing aging

 

[Dugbet]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Hi all,

I keep on reading that for anti-aging, one should keep insulin levels down, e.g. by not eating simple carbs.

Now how about using insulin for bodybuilding, wouldn't that be pro-aging, i.e. you age faster?

Or would it be mainly the extra (simple) carbs consumed along with insulin?

Elevated levels of fasting insulin is the single greatest marker to assess a person’s cardiovascular and diabetic risk factors. This has been consistently demonstrated in the medical literature going back more than 20 years. Elevated levels of insulin are found among those with heart disease, congestive heart failure, insulin resistance, diabetes, high blood pressure, and obesity.

 

[Fit2Serve]

Hi all,

I keep on reading that for anti-aging, one should keep insulin levels down, e.g. by not eating simple carbs.

Now how about using insulin for bodybuilding, wouldn't that be pro-aging, i.e. you age faster?

Or would it be mainly the extra (simple) carbs consumed along with insulin?

yes.
-F

 

[warlock]

Elevated levels of fasting insulin is the single greatest marker to assess a person’s cardiovascular and diabetic risk factors. This has been consistently demonstrated in the medical literature going back more than 20 years. Elevated levels of insulin are found among those with heart disease, congestive heart failure, insulin resistance, diabetes, high blood pressure, and obesity.

In your opinion, what are the ideal insulin levels to stay at?

 

[qbkilla]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

Pretty much this, id say though shooting 10 iu of fast acting slin 3x per week pre workout wont matter, but all th other stuff we do does lol

 

[b-boy]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

Good post ....

 

[emeric delczeg]

In your opinion, what are the ideal insulin levels to stay at?

Not higher than 6mcU/ml, between 2mcU/ml and 6mcU/ml

 

[USMuscle9403]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

Could have written this myself. Longevity is also correlated with body weight, guys in their 40s and 50s wanting to be monsters aren't doing themselves any favors.

 

[DarrenG29]

There’s many diabetics well into there 70s longevity and health comes from hundreds of other health markers and dna genetics

not ruling out blood sugar insulin levels not being 1 factor out of many more

being on insulin if it’s needed is more healthy long term than not being on it and it would in theory prevent pancreas burn out if you consume massive calories carbohydrates monthly yearly so it improve your overall health factor in hgh insulin resistance

 

[b_cornelius]

For most instances, yes, but it not neccisarily the case.

These things, insulin and inflammation, increase the rate of change, but this does not have to imply a detrimental change of "bad" systemic and genetic changes.

It just so happens that common unfettered changes lead to the entropy of systemic disorder considered to be the "bad" of aging, just as the arrow of time leads to the systematic entropy into disorder, chaos theory...

...unless, of course, intelligence does not take the measures to reorder the in-formations properly. This is through both protections and corrections that the proper order is maintained.

 

[Sigagg243]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

Nicely said. Scary to think about as well

 

[Muay Thai]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

great post, just to touch on IF a bit, during IF your body induces AUTOPHAGY, this alone is a REMARKABLE feature. It brings your body near homeostasis, so many bodybuilders talk shit on fasting, while their lifespan is often synonymous with a NFL linemans

 

[b_cornelius]

What makes advice exclusive is exclusivity. Everyone can't have it. You don't have to understand, but almost anyone can buy this stuff and put up the appearance.

Everything is now Myoblast Transfer Therapy, performed exogenously, but no one cares about losing.

 

[Dugbet]

great post, just to touch on IF a bit, during IF your body induces AUTOPHAGY, this alone is a REMARKABLE feature. It brings your body near homeostasis, so many bodybuilders talk shit on fasting, while their lifespan is often synonymous with a NFL linemans

I understand that if you need 5000 or 6000 calories, IF is not the best idea, which is why bodybuilders are not fans of this way of eating.

 

[b-boy]

great post, just to touch on IF a bit, during IF your body induces AUTOPHAGY, this alone is a REMARKABLE feature. It brings your body near homeostasis, so many bodybuilders talk shit on fasting, while their lifespan is often synonymous with a NFL linemans

Lucky for us smart bodybuilders, we realize that autophogy occurs during fasting AND/OR CALORIE RESTRICTION!

 

[Muay Thai]

I understand that if you need 5000 or 6000 calories, IF is not the best idea, which is why bodybuilders are not fans of this way of eating.

16 hours per week, pile it in during the 8 hour window or eat less that 1 day, you wont shrink permanently, on the contrary your hgh and igf1 will be rolling during the fast. phil hernon (if im not mistaken) used to say eat when hungry not around the clock. yes obviously for bulking this is counter productive, but with general health in mind, its rather essential. maybe Bboy can shed more light, regardless I enjoy all your feedback and posts and perspective dugbet

 

[ripriot]

Everything about peak growth is in direct opposition to increased longevity. To have big and strong muscles you need a high calorie intake, according to all studies, life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake. Keto diets and IF also add the benefits of low calorie diets without the need for starvation, but they are not the best approach to maximum hypertrophy.

You can try to have the best of both worlds if your goal is not to be massive or compete at the national level. Stay natty, train hard, do periods off season and periods of severe cutting.

Well said, but I do believe there is at least one exception to "all studies show life expectancy increases the lower the calorie intake." For the younger crowd on this site... Low calorie, calorie restrictions, fasting are very problematic to childhood development and young adults leading to stunted growth, osteoporosis, vitamin deficiencies, etc. This is because men and woman's brain do not stop developing until the age 25. They also don't achieve peak muscle mass till somewhere between age 20-30. During this time frame the focus should be on eating a balanced meal plan. Not low calories. Low calories during these years will reduce life expectancy from nutritional deficiency's that lead to chronic diseases. The studies your talking about are when a person is done developing. Great post from you!!!

 

[Dugbet]

16 hours per week, pile it in during the 8 hour window or eat less that 1 day, you wont shrink permanently, on the contrary your hgh and igf1 will be rolling during the fast. phil hernon (if im not mistaken) used to say eat when hungry not around the clock. yes obviously for bulking this is counter productive, but with general health in mind, its rather essential. maybe Bboy can shed more light, regardless I enjoy all your feedback and posts and perspective dugbet

I think it would be very difficult to consume all the calories in the diet of a 200 pound or more bodybuilder in one meal, plus it would cause bloating and digestion problems.

Of course, if you are a skinny boy who only seeks health and does not compete, there is no problem in the IF. Or if you have already competed and ate tons of food in the past and want to head down a healthier and more comfortable route.