KISS or the Kitchen Sink?

[Heavy_Lifter]

Just thinking out loud…

Suppose you have Lifter A and his clone Lifter B. Everything they do is exactly the same, except for the gear they use on their next cycle. Lifter A just runs 1 gram a week of test enth. Lifter B’s daddy owns the candy store, and uses a little test ‘cause it’s best, Deca has always been good to him, hmmm, throw in some parabolan too. Some room left for orals, how about A-bombs this week, Winstrol and Dianabol the next. You get the picture. But B keeps it to a 1 gram a week, same as A.

The question: Who gets the better results?


I’d bet B does. I know some compounds are stronger than others – no one compares Anadrol to Winny for mass gain, etc. But since each compound acts in a slightly different way, could the combined effect be greater? Can 1 + 1 = 3? For the science folks, effects can be additive (1+1=2) or synergistic (1+1=3). My contention is that steroids are synergistic.

 

[BigBoyJ]

I've actually tried that experiment several times. I noticed absolutely NO difference in strength or muscle growth when I would take 2-3 different drugs as when I was taking test alone. If anything it was slightly better on test alone. What I did notice was an improvement in my joints when using eq or deca. Other than that, good ol' test seems to be all I need.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

BBJ, so you noticed that Eq helped your joints too? As good as or not as good as deca?

I also agree with what you're saying. More compounds for me has usually just meant more side effects.

I suppose for synergy you could try an androgen which we know the effects would be androgen receptor mediated. Add a compound that is anabolic whose effects are largely non-androgen receptor mediated. Add a growth factor like HGH or IGF-1 which is an entirely different mechanism. In other words, use compounds whose mechanisms of action are different. I don't call that synergy though. Just hitting all available pathways. Synergy might be more like testosterone and masteron. Where one actually aids the performance of the other.

But as usual, all this is worthless if your diet stinks and your training program is junk.

 

[Heavy_Lifter]

Deca is prescribed in Europe for treatment of arthritic shoulders.

I’ve seen as a study that found about a 400% increase in connective tissue synthesis with EQ use, can’t remember the dose though.

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I guess I had somehow overlooked the "magic stack" when I asked the above question. I.E. Test, Tren, Winstrol for use of each anabolic pathway

 

[BigBoyJ]

BBJ, so you noticed that Eq helped your joints too? As good as or not as good as deca?

I also agree with what you're saying. More compounds for me has usually just meant more side effects.

I suppose for synergy you could try an androgen which we know the effects would be androgen receptor mediated. Add a compound that is anabolic whose effects are largely non-androgen receptor mediated. Add a growth factor like HGH or IGF-1 which is an entirely different mechanism. In other words, use compounds whose mechanisms of action are different. I don't call that synergy though. Just hitting all available pathways. Synergy might be more like testosterone and masteron. Where one actually aids the performance of the other.

But as usual, all this is worthless if your diet stinks and your training program is junk.

I agree with ya, man. Using drugs that hit totally different pathways seems to make perfect sense, but to think that you're doing any good for muscle growth by using all these different steroids? Well, I just don't think so. There is only 1 type of androgen receptor. It was made for testosterone. Why would adding anything else do any more good? But yeah, for joints and tendons, which are massively important, either eq or deca seem to work great. I can't really say one was better than the other from what I felt.

 

[Heavy_Lifter]

A second Estrogen receptor has been discovered, so we now have ER-alpha and ER-beta. There are many "orphan receptors" that have no known substrates (things that bind them). Scientists have plenty of work to do yet!

 

[chris250]

OK GUYS HERE IS MY 2 CENT WORTH...

WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I WOULD RUN ONLY 2 DRUGS AT ONE TIME (TEST/DECA OR EQ OR AN ORAL) AS I GOT INTO MY MID 20 OR SO...I STARTED TO RUN HIGHER AND HIGHER DOSES CAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS WE READ IN THE NET AND BORRESEN'S IDEA'S ON HOW TO CYCLE...ANYWAY WITH HIGHER DOSES AND RUNNING 4-5 DRUGS (ANABOLICS) I DIDNT REALLY SEEM TO GAIN ANY BETTER THAN RUNNING 2 THINGS AT ONCE...PLUS, I ALWAYS FELT LIKE CRAP...WELL TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, IM BACK TO RUNNING JUST 2 THINGS AT ONCE (MAYBE GH IF I CAN AFFORD IT) AND THATS IT...MY GAINS ARE MUCH BETTER AND I FEEL MUCH MUCH BETTER...HEALTH WISE MY BLOOD TEST COME BACK PERFECT...

SO I WOULD SAY IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER IF RUNNING JUST TEST AT 1 GRAM A WEEK OR RUNNING 4 DIFFERENT THING AT ONCE WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERNCE...I ALSO ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT RUNNING TO MANY THINGS AT ONCE WOULD JUST CONFUSE THE BODY...AND NOT USE THE GEAR AS GOOD AS JUST ONE OR TWO DRUGS AT A TIME...BUT THAT COULD BE JUST A STUPID THOUGHT...

CHRIS

 

[Trulyhuge]

I am a low dose person myself and I'd rather be A then B in this situation. I too never saw better results strength wise from using more thann just Test.

TH